sounds like centralising most of the the internet behind a single easy target (Cloudflare) is a bad idea
All systems seem to converge to these monopolies. Google, X, Facebook, Cloudflare. All minor player are absorbed or eliminated.
Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives
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Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives
#102Of course it could claim lives. Hopefully Prince has considered people have also likely died as a result of Cloudflare's repeating captcha which holds the next page in front of you like a carrot on a stick, never letting you know that you will be clicking that box forever. I'm sure while someone's in the process of keeling over is the perfect time to arbitrarily scrutinize their connecting details. You need to contac…
As someone who implemented cloudflare because of a massive DDOS and bot problem, sorry, but I will cheerfully allow 1% of my visitors to find the site unusable rather than 100%. It sucks, but no sane business would be so invested in equality of experience that they’d allow it to be completely broken for everyone.
The choice isn't necessarily between 99% and 0% of legitimate users/visitors getting through.
What if you, and every other customer of Cloudflare or its competitors, applied pressure to make that 100% of legitimate users/visitors getting through?
What if legislators also mandated that 100% for many sites?
Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives
#103sounds like centralising most of the the internet behind a single easy target (Cloudflare) is a bad idea
Also, CDNs have inherent economies of scale and network effects, so it is natural that there would be just a few at the top.
Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Brazil it is not uncommon for fans to organize protests, sometimes violent, when a club starts performing poorly due to perceived slack on the players. At the same time, seemingly more pressing political issues often go unnoticed. It's beyond me how some people get more riled up by the sport, not being a sports person myself.
It's designed for this purpose. Rome was organizing those games to thrill the romans, it worked splendid. When political concerns gets on the rise, you pump the show. It works better than your typical propaganda as players become heroes, managers and clubs make great money. Distributors get their cut. The machine is well oiled with solid monetary incentives. Football (and other sports watching): cheap but deep rooted…
I'd categorically say that focusing that sort of person on sports is by far the lesser of the two evils.
Democracy only chooses as wisely as the average intelligence of its voters.
Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives
#105I live in Spain, while I find the whole "life-threatening" narrative a tad overblown: I agree these obnoxious blocks are unacceptable. Incredible how much power LaLiga is capable of wielding.
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Under-resourced public sector entities often reach for the easiest solutions: Facebook and Twitter.
Consequently, those channels are a major portion of their disaster communication plans.
If services don't want to assume the responsibilities of being critical utilities, then they shouldn't work so hard to establish monopolies.
Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I've tried to get a customer of CloudFlare to fix a consistent block of their site -- not safety-critical, but mission-critical, and costing them a SaaS sale -- nobody seemed to care. My impression is that everyone knows that Cloudflare is blocking some legitimate people, but nobody -- neither the customer, nor Cloudflare -- cares enough to solve that problem. It's similar to why Google doesn't have much tech su…
Do you ever find that advocating for these tenets feels "weird" nowadays? As in, don't you know these publicly traded companies are legally bound to extract profit without these silly notions of empathy or trust? What do you expect them to do? To start acting silly?
And some percentage of the rest will act like jerks once it's to their advantage.
But society still holds corporations to account on some societal values.
Mostly through legislation. But sometimes through consumers (and B2B) voting with their pocketbooks.
Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone who implemented cloudflare because of a massive DDOS and bot problem, sorry, but I will cheerfully allow 1% of my visitors to find the site unusable rather than 100%. It sucks, but no sane business would be so invested in equality of experience that they’d allow it to be completely broken for everyone.
Thank you for honesty on this. The choice isn't necessarily between 99% and 0% of legitimate users/visitors getting through. What if you, and every other customer of Cloudflare or its competitors, applied pressure to make that 100% of legitimate users/visitors getting through? What if legislators also mandated that 100% for many sites?
It can’t be done. If someone is on a home network whose router has been compromised and is part of a ddos attack, there’s no way their innocent HTTP traffic is getting through. Ditto if their machine has been compromised. Lots of scenarios where an innocent user must be blocked, unless the entire internet is reinvented. Which is beyond the scope of my project.
Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sadly including on my site that kept getting overwhelmed by bots this year. I didn’t know what else to do.
Have you tried anubis? https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis
Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thank you for honesty on this. The choice isn't necessarily between 99% and 0% of legitimate users/visitors getting through. What if you, and every other customer of Cloudflare or its competitors, applied pressure to make that 100% of legitimate users/visitors getting through? What if legislators also mandated that 100% for many sites?
Mandating 100% availability sounds like regulating pi to 3.0. It can’t be done. If someone is on a home network whose router has been compromised and is part of a ddos attack, there’s no way their innocent HTTP traffic is getting through. Ditto if their machine has been compromised. Lots of scenarios where an innocent user must be blocked, unless the entire internet is reinvented. Which is beyond the scope of my proj…
To me, this sounds like giving up way too easily on engineering problems.
One distinction to start with: Let's say grandma's router isn't part of a DDoS attack. Even if she might be trying to talk with a site that someone is trying to attack.
After solving that one, maybe the solution also somehow solves the problem of when grandma's router is involved in DDoS (or that site? of a different one?), or maybe we have to think harder.
Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives
#110I was unaware of this controversy so in brief: 1. La Liga (Spanish Football) finds pirates streaming their games objectionable 2. They notice that many of these streamers use Cloudflare for something, presumably CDN and load balancing. 3. They appear in court in Spain and get an ex-parte TRO blocking all Cloudflare IPs. (Ex parte TRO: restraining order granted without Cloudflare being summoned to court) 4. Based on t…
> Cloudflare goes public in frustration, noting that they could just send take down requests for infringing content like every other rights holder in the world, Live sports piracy has the unusual property that you have to be able to get the block in place within the ~90 minutes of a football match, even at weekends and across time zones. Otherwise there’s no point. If the courts let Cloudflare slow roll this, at the…