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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by bowsamic »

lenerdenator wrote: post #94

I do find myself wondering if the people working on this stuff ever give any real thought to the impact on society that this is going to have. I mean obviously the answer is "no" and this is going to get a bunch of replies saying that inventors are not to blame but the negative results of a technology like this are fairly obvious. We had a movie two years ago about a blubbering scientist who blatantly ignored that to…

It's really being forced on us too. Jira, Confluence, and Notion are three products I've used where they've purposefully ignored requests to allow us to disable or hide the bundled generative AI. It's really intrusive. I also switched to Duck Duck Go because of the new AI on Google

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Post by ahmedfromtunis »

hollowturtle wrote: post #87
ehsankia wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> burying the creatives among us in a pile of AI generated content. Isn't the creativity in what you put in the prompt? Isn't spending hundreds of hours manually creating and rigging models based on existing sketch the non-creative work that is being automated here?

How does a prompt describe creativity? It's a vision so far off that it's so frustrating because greater creativity came from limited tools, greater creativity came from imperfections, a different point of view, love, a slightly off touch of a painter or a guitar player, the wood of the instrument and the humidity affecting. I can go on and on, prompts are a reduction to the minimum term of everything you'd want to d…

So deliberately writing a prompt that meticulously describes how a generated photo would look like isn't creative, but pushing a button for a machine to take the photo for you is??!! If anything, it's the way around!

Of course that's not what I believe, but let's not limit the definition of what creativity based on historical limitations. Let's see what the new generation of artists and creators will use this new capability to mesmerize us!

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by hollowturtle »

ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #102
hollowturtle wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does a prompt describe creativity? It's a vision so far off that it's so frustrating because greater creativity came from limited tools, greater creativity came from imperfections, a different point of view, love, a slightly off touch of a painter or a guitar player, the wood of the instrument and the humidity affecting. I can go on and on, prompts are a reduction to the minimum term of everything you'd want to d…

So deliberately writing a prompt that meticulously describes how a generated photo would look like isn't creative, but pushing a button for a machine to take the photo for you is??!! If anything, it's the way around! Of course that's not what I believe, but let's not limit the definition of what creativity based on historical limitations. Let's see what the new generation of artists and creators will use this new cap…

To answer your first question: carpe diem! And historical limitations? Go visit the Sistine Chapel, unmatched still today

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by imp0cat »

jader201 wrote: post #49

I'm surprised no one has yet to mention the use of the name "Flow", which is also the title of the 2025 Oscar winning animated movie, built using Blender. [1] This naming seems very confusing, as I originally thought there must be some connection. But I don't think there is. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43237273

Would Google really stoop so low and try to use the success of the movie to prop their AI video generator tool?

But then again, the do no evil motto is long gone, so I guess anything goes now?

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by ahmedfromtunis »

StefanBatory wrote: post #96
ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #88

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The amount of gatekeeping I see when this topic is brought is outstanding! Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? Personally I can't wait to see the new creative doors ai will open for us!

Creative? There's nothing creative in it.

It's funny that you're defending creativity by being close-minded about a creative new way to explore it. You're being your judgment of an entire new medium based on a few early examples. It's as if you're downplaying photography just based on the few first blurry, dark clichés produced. Let's keep our minds open to new forms of creativity if we really care about it so much.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

elzbardico wrote: post #4

Got a bit of an uncanny valley feeling with the owl and the old man videos. And the origami video give me a sort of sinister feeling, seemed vaguely threatening, agressive.

The owl one had that glow that so many AI images have for some reason. The man was very impressive to me.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by swalsh »

nrjames wrote: post #70

This is technically impressive and I commend the team that brought it to life. It makes me sad, though. I wish we were pushing AI more to automate non-creative work and not burying the creatives among us in a pile of AI generated content.

I think the non-creative work is coming... but it's harder, needs more accuracy, and just generally takes more effort. But it's 100% coming. AI today can one shot with about 80% perfection. But for use cases that need to be higher than that, that last 20% is grueling to gain. It's like taking a jet across the country, and then getting jammed in traffic while you're taking a taxi to your hotel.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by kleiba »

StefanBatory wrote: post #96
ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of gatekeeping I see when this topic is brought is outstanding! Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? Personally I can't wait to see the new creative doors ai will open for us!

Creative? There's nothing creative in it.

What grandparent means is that the AI enables human creativity in a new way.
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