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Re: Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.

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Post by mdwrigh2 »

Steko wrote: post #94
mdwrigh2 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now that Google has acquired Motorola, they have the patents to go after anybody they want and that's exactly what they are doing. Let's be clear: They've sued Apple, the one person who's been unwilling to cross-license their patents. They aren't suing Microsoft. They aren't suing Oracle. They aren't suing anyone else at this point. Apple, on the other hand, has been suing every Android manufacturer under the sun w…

Let's be even more clear: there isn't a genuine equivalence between Apple suing Samsung and Samsung suing Apple. Even Google's lawyers told Samsung to change their designs. The false equivalence that you and many other people continually try to draw in this thread and every other one like it has poisoned the well. Nokia sues Apple over something? No big deal. Apple sues Samsung over obvious copycat products? End of w…

> Let's be even more clear: there isn't a genuine equivalence between Apple suing Samsung and Samsung suing Apple.

Point me to where I said anything about this case other than "Apple, on the other hand, has been suing every Android manufacturer under the sun with the full intention of destroying Android.", which I think is nearly inarguable at this point.

> Even Google's lawyers told Samsung to change their designs.

While Google did tell Samsung to change their design, I have no reason to believe that it was their lawyers (and thus had any legal weight, which is what "Google's lawyers" implies).

> The false equivalence that you and many other people continually try to draw in this thread and every other one like it has poisoned the well.

While I'm glad you've studied your rhetorical devices, can you explain what false equivalence I'm drawing? If it's Samsung v. Apple and Apple v. Samsung, see above. I didn't say anything about these cases, particularly about Samsung suing Apple.

I'll also note your response didn't contain any evidence of Google being unwilling to end this (or of Apple being willing to, but I didn't ask for that).

> Nokia sues Apple over something? No big deal.

Didn't mention this, please don't put others opinions in my mouth.

> Apple sues Samsung over obvious copycat products? End of world.

Didn't specifically mention this case anywhere.

> Apple writes $10 bln check to Nokia without much fuss? Serves em right!

Didn't mention this, at all. Anywhere.

> Samsung might owe Apple a couple billion? End of world.

Didn't mention this.

Please don't paint me with the brush of others. I make the comments in the context of my opinions, not others.

> Google et al. made conscious decisions to copy Apple's products.

Then why hasn't Apple sued Google directly? It's their software, yet Apple only goes after manufacturers.

> In that case, Fuck Samsung and Googlerola -- they can write checks just like Apple did to Nokia. Hardly the end of the world.

Again, show me that Apple has approached Google about licensing it's patents, or is even open to it. They aren't looking for a check, they're looking for the eradication of the platform. I'm going to ignore Samsung -- I'm not talking about them here, only you are.

Re: Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.

#102

Post by jolohaga »

azylman wrote: post #77
mirsadm wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure it was revealed recently that Apple approached Samsung and gave them the opportunity to license a bunch of stuff. That is pretty rare, Samsung refused and Apple sued.

In a sense, you're right. Apple offered to license it's tech to Samsung in 2010 for a whopping $40/device - personally, I don't think that a fee that exorbitant counts, but that's personal opinion. I thing Apple knew they were offering an untenable fee and that Samsung would have no choice but to refuse.

Apple doesn't need to support the bottom-feeders. If Samsung can't pay Apple, that means they're not making enough money on their phones.

Samsung and all Android phone makers are fighting a losing battle as long as they keep such low profit margins. It's the failure of the licensing of one common OS for all phones. Nothing distinguishes these phones enough to allow one company to raise above the rest.

Samsung and the other Android phone makers can't count on anyone's loyalty. The Android user is only interested in the freest phone, regardless who makes it. Today Samsung, tomorrow X (fill in the mark).

Why does Apple have to support that?

Re: Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.

#106

Post by comatose_kid »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #97
comatose_kid wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is Apple evil for defending itself from companies who are copying much of the look and feel of their phones? If you invented a new approach to smartphones that became really successful and changed the industry, wouldn't you want to protect your hard work from others who copied it?

Apple has sold over a hundred million iPhones and has sewn up a large chunk of the most profitable market segment. That should be enough of a reward.

Apple defined the landscape that all Android phones now inhabit.

Your view doesn't make sense to me. If you buy a nice car by working hard, should I be allowed to take it from you after you have had 'enough' time to drive it?

Re: Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.

#107

Post by cheald »

comatose_kid wrote: post #98

There are a lot of 'Apple deserves this' type of comments in this thread that I'd like to address. The patent system is probably flawed (IANAL), but companies do need to have a way to defend their innovations. Apple did re-invent the smart phone in 07, and has been the design leader since then. Android has followed in their footsteps - witness the design shift from their pre-iphone roadmap which consisted of blackber…

Apple iterated, but they didn't re-invent the smartphone. See the LG Prada, announced in December 2006. It was the first full-screen capacitive touch phone. Its form factor was strikingly similar to the iPhone, and LG even accused Apple of ripping off the design (though they never followed through in court).

What Apple did do was market this newer form factor very successfully, effectively tying the iPhone form factor to their brand in view of public opinion, but it's revisionist to claim that they reinvented the smartphone into the design that we know and love today.

Re: Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.

#108

Post by bgeorgescu »

azylman wrote: post #99
jsz0 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what people said about Apple/Samsung until the trial reviled Apple did offer licensing terms which Samsung rejected. We have no way of knowing if Apple offered similar licensing terms to Motorola.

Actually, prior documents released from Motorola and Apple show that Motorola wanted 2.25% of Apple's revenue for its patents[1] - on a $500 device, that's $1.50. Apple rejected those terms. Compare that to Apple's demand of $40/device from Samsung - it's not favorable. [1] http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/02/04/what-motorola-wants-2...

2.25% of $500 is $11.25

Re: Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.

#109

Post by fkdjs »

Steko wrote: post #94
mdwrigh2 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now that Google has acquired Motorola, they have the patents to go after anybody they want and that's exactly what they are doing. Let's be clear: They've sued Apple, the one person who's been unwilling to cross-license their patents. They aren't suing Microsoft. They aren't suing Oracle. They aren't suing anyone else at this point. Apple, on the other hand, has been suing every Android manufacturer under the sun w…

Let's be even more clear: there isn't a genuine equivalence between Apple suing Samsung and Samsung suing Apple. Even Google's lawyers told Samsung to change their designs. The false equivalence that you and many other people continually try to draw in this thread and every other one like it has poisoned the well. Nokia sues Apple over something? No big deal. Apple sues Samsung over obvious copycat products? End of w…

And Apple made a conscious decision to steal android notifications.

It goes both ways and Apple can no longer claim to be the only princess on the block who everyone copies.

Re: Google Sues Apple, Seeks To Block iPhone, iPad & Mac Imports To U.S.

#110

Post by CamperBob2 »

comatose_kid wrote: post #106
CamperBob2 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has sold over a hundred million iPhones and has sewn up a large chunk of the most profitable market segment. That should be enough of a reward.

Apple defined the landscape that all Android phones now inhabit. Your view doesn't make sense to me. If you buy a nice car by working hard, should I be allowed to take it from you after you have had 'enough' time to drive it?

Patents should be granted only on IP that would otherwise risk being locked up indefinitely as a trade secret. Otherwise, they aren't promoting the "progress of Science and the useful Arts" but instead feathering the nests of incumbent producers at consumers' expense.

The patents being lobbed about like grenades don't fall into that category, IMO. No one would ever need to read a patent to see how to implement "slide to unlock."

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