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Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by Cushman »

runn1ng wrote: post #27

Yes, I know I shouldn't say it out loud, but here I am saying it (take me, Police) - out of curiosity, I went to Hard Candy section of The Hidden Wiki. (Yes, it is exactly what you would think it is.) GOD. There are seriously forums full of pedofiles sharing pictures and - maybe worse? - their stories and wisdoms. Maybe out of utter fascination, I spend about few hours on there and I felt like I want to murder all hu…

> Drug markets, weapon markets, assasin markets (altough I don't know how sersiously to take those), terrorist websites, child porn websites.

One of these things, is not like the others...

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

#102

Post by thinkingisfun »

nowarninglabel wrote: post #58
fatbird wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether or not they exist anyway, it seems obvious to me that a supportive peer group is going to increase their effectiveness at predation. Perhaps they talk about it so much that they don't get around to doing it--studies on violent pornography and child pornography sometimes find that viewers use them as a safe outlet to actually doing it themselves. But that's a huge gamble. At present, TOR is simply enabling chi…

Although, logically, it doesn't allow for infiltrators (e.g., police) to enter the forums and attempt to build enough cred to initiate convincing these predators into doing something stupid, for instance dangling financial rewards in front of them for real world meetup for exchange of goods, etc. This is how law enforcement has been working on carding forums. And while I don't think the enforcement is effective for t…

The problem aren't the people who do it for money :/

Why would they ever meet up? What goods are there to exchange, other than, uhh, tips and tricks? I wish I could share your optimism, but I decidedly don't.

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by TWAndrews »

runn1ng wrote: post #27

Yes, I know I shouldn't say it out loud, but here I am saying it (take me, Police) - out of curiosity, I went to Hard Candy section of The Hidden Wiki. (Yes, it is exactly what you would think it is.) GOD. There are seriously forums full of pedofiles sharing pictures and - maybe worse? - their stories and wisdoms. Maybe out of utter fascination, I spend about few hours on there and I felt like I want to murder all hu…

I hope that law enforcement agencies at least use this as a window into how these people operate.

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

#104

Post by dfc »

nikcub wrote: post #88
dfc wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all the discussion of TOR starts at section 39. The FBI did not identify Anarchaos traffic coming out the other end of the TOR network. The FBI did not identify Anarchaos because of TOR. The complaint mentions that Anarchaos had previously mentioned the use of TOR and that one of the devices (Mac laptop) on the network under surveillance connected to a known TOR router. The complaint goes on to correlate tra…

the FBI played 33 bits and 1 of the bits was Tor use

I do not even know what you mean? Is this a reference to that one academic who said you needed X bits to identify someone? They already knew who he was. The tor use was circumstantial evidence that strengthened the case...at best.

Do you think the TOR information was neccessary for an identification? Surely you do not think it was sufficient?

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by thinkingisfun »

runn1ng wrote: post #99
guard-of-terra wrote: post #96

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Why doesn't it work the same way with violence? Violence on the screen does not "normalize the behaviour".

Actual videos of killed/shot people probably does, too.

And even that would not be actual murder.

I remember when I was rather fresh on the internet, ran into Stileproject of all things (don't google that if you don't know it, it can be summed up as porn and gore, plus "funny mutilation" and midgets), and ended up seeing a video of someone having their throat cut, while someone had a boot on their head - it was very real, in Russia by the sounds of it. Then there was a beheading, and of course stonings from them middle east. I was shocked, but I could also not not look, if that makes any sense.

That was 12 years ago, and I still feel helpless and angry thinking of it, I still remember more of these videos than I care to. The idea of someone watching such videos, and actually laughing, chills me to the bone. But I'm under no delusion that that was not the primary reason for their circulation.

Sometimes humanity sucks.. and I'm torn between my right to learn about the banal cruelty that actually exists in the world, and not wanting such things to be glorified.

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by TWAndrews »

runn1ng wrote: post #86
naner wrote: post #66

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...just shows that Tor is really anonymous and safe. It shows that the groups who go after and prosecute these people don't have the resources or motivation to get to all of them. When you have a very significant target of the US (near the wanted level of Bin Landen) or China talking freely on Tor without getting caught, then perhaps you can rule it as being seriously anonymous. I don't know about other countries, bu…

China is blocking Tor outright and pretty effectively. https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/OONI/censo...

So really, rather than providing useful anonymity to political dissidents, it's just providing anonymity to pedophiles?

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by DanBC »

runn1ng wrote: post #27

Yes, I know I shouldn't say it out loud, but here I am saying it (take me, Police) - out of curiosity, I went to Hard Candy section of The Hidden Wiki. (Yes, it is exactly what you would think it is.) GOD. There are seriously forums full of pedofiles sharing pictures and - maybe worse? - their stories and wisdoms. Maybe out of utter fascination, I spend about few hours on there and I felt like I want to murder all hu…

> Yes, I know I shouldn't say it out loud, but here I am saying it (take me, Police) - out of curiosity, I went to Hard Candy section of The Hidden Wiki. (Yes, it is exactly what you would think it is.)

That was a ridiculously reckless thing for you to do. You've opened yourself up to a variety of legal sanctions.

Knowingly, deliberately, breaking the law is a bafflingly dumb thing to do, especially when the consequences to your life would be so severe.

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by thinkingisfun »

patrickgzill wrote: post #65
runn1ng wrote: post #27

Yes, I know I shouldn't say it out loud, but here I am saying it (take me, Police) - out of curiosity, I went to Hard Candy section of The Hidden Wiki. (Yes, it is exactly what you would think it is.) GOD. There are seriously forums full of pedofiles sharing pictures and - maybe worse? - their stories and wisdoms. Maybe out of utter fascination, I spend about few hours on there and I felt like I want to murder all hu…

How many are Feds, on the site you mention? Something you did not take into consideration.

What can the feds do, other than take note of the information the predators exchange? How protective do you think pedophiles are of their real identity, or clues that might lead to it?

Something you did not take into consideration.

As if the most gut-wrenching bits were written by feds, which you surely did not mean to imply, how does it matter if even 80% were feds?

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

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Post by DanBC »

thinkingisfun wrote: post #102
nowarninglabel wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although, logically, it doesn't allow for infiltrators (e.g., police) to enter the forums and attempt to build enough cred to initiate convincing these predators into doing something stupid, for instance dangling financial rewards in front of them for real world meetup for exchange of goods, etc. This is how law enforcement has been working on carding forums. And while I don't think the enforcement is effective for t…

The problem aren't the people who do it for money :/ Why would they ever meet up? What goods are there to exchange, other than, uhh, tips and tricks? I wish I could share your optimism, but I decidedly don't.

> What goods are there to exchange

There are "new" images.

There are children.

Re: A Tor of the Dark Web

#110

Post by throw_away_0000 »

telecuda wrote: post #56
Wohlf wrote: post #52

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> There are more households sharing CP in your community than there are bus stops. Sorry if I'm wrong, but I find that hard to believe. Any amount of CP is a problem IMO, but I don't think it's that bad. In my metropolitan area there's around 1,671,683 people, and I'd be surprised to learn there's 1000 honest-to-god pedos.

I live in a metropolitan area of around 500,000 and there are close to 200 markers indicating an IP address that's advertising CP availability. We have methods of rating each marker (e.g. how many CP files, how many are teen, child, nudity vs. intercourse, etc). Of those 200, there are a handful of the worst offenders that law enforcement will use resources to pursue, a group in the middle that have downloaded a larg…

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what does that mean? There are 200 servers with that stuff in your city? If you know their IP can't you get a warrant and shut them down? I find it strange that the police know about so many people doing this stuff but don't do anything about it but maybe that's not what you mean? It seems pretty cut and dry if someone is advertising illegal stuff.

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