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Re: Just use HTML

#101
post #41

Fuck I hate this moronic regressionist mindset. If your project is too insignificant to benefit from a framework, then just don't use it? It has nothing to do with the technology, but everything to do with your piece of shit usecase.

Relax, it's just some 24yo edgelord discovering a world exists outside what they learned at React Bootcamp and turning against The Frameworks to feel clever.

Re: Just use HTML

#102
post #77

"AI's out here, a gift from the heavens (or at least from Sam Altman's nerd fortress) ready to write your shitty little to-do app in five seconds flat. It can churn out pixel-perfect HTML, debug your fuck-ups, and probably even wipe your ass if you ask nicely. But no, you're still humping your frameworks like they're the last lifeboat on the Titanic." Personal opinion is that AI will reduce the need for higher abstra…

> Personal opinion is that AI will reduce the need for higher abstraction software libraries. I'm not sure we should be excited by that. Instead of building more powerful high level abstractions we're giving up and hope to build better software by churning out tons of one-off spaghetti code.

this negativity around ai software is misplaced, and will be on the wrong side of history. the trend is ai built software that will be better than human built. vibe coding is just early adoption

Re: Just use HTML

#103
post #71

"AI's out here, a gift from the heavens (or at least from Sam Altman's nerd fortress) ready to write your shitty little to-do app in five seconds flat. It can churn out pixel-perfect HTML, debug your fuck-ups, and probably even wipe your ass if you ask nicely. But no, you're still humping your frameworks like they're the last lifeboat on the Titanic." Personal opinion is that AI will reduce the need for higher abstra…

LLMs reinforce what the majority is already doing, because that's what it's trained on. I'd like ORMs to go away but LLMs aren't going to do that.

its more fundamental than this, ai can certainly take an orm and replace it with generated sql. it can do the same for react components into html (still early days for this though).

Re: Just use HTML

#104

We made tirreno website [1] with only HTML 4.01 and 1 transparent pixel, no CSS or JS. Works well on any device. Easy to update. Highly recommended. [1] https://www.tirreno.com/

I have no idea if this is satire, or if you're a younger developer who "found" the techniques we ran away from screaming 20 years ago. I feel like CSS is unfairly coupled to JS frameworks. It may be reasonable to say that CSS 3 is unnecessarily complex, but clean "semantic" HTML and a basic presentational style sheet is an amazing combination that isn't related to the ball of mud that modern development has become.

The idea to make a website without CSS/JS came to me when I was picking up my mechanical watch from the watchmaker. He used some analog machines to calibrate the movement, and it gave me a sense of trustworthiness that I want to convey through tirreno website.

Re: Just use HTML

#105
post #28

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| Monitor and protect your web app from cyberfraud, account threats, bots and abuse with a single security platform. Sure but how is this better than setting up the font in CSS? There may be an advantage to not having an external CSS file, but setting up CSS rules inside the HTML file works perfectly well and is much more maintainable than this IMHO.

The short answer: Because anyone can do this using in-line or in-file CSS. The long answer: Technologies are a blend of humans and machines. Typing HTML code by yourself, especially in 2025, gives another level of meaning and human touch. It's more like modern art in some way.

Might be art, might be fun. But you also claimed it's easy to update.

But now you have to write every time you create another one of those elements.

And if you want to change the font you would need to search and replace in different .html files.

It does not seem easy to update.

Re: Just use HTML

#106
post #49

We made tirreno website [1] with only HTML 4.01 and 1 transparent pixel, no CSS or JS. Works well on any device. Easy to update. Highly recommended. [1] https://www.tirreno.com/

Nice! I'm working on a private Recipe bookmarking site that currently has no JavaScript and minimal CSS. https://github.com/bradly/recipin

It's says 'Your browser is not supported. Please upgrade your browser to continue.'

Re: Just use HTML

#107

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Impossible to read on mobile unless you pinch zoom way in and then pan back and forth across the page. A bit bold to say that it works well.

Interesting, as the webpage has a viewport meta tag. May I ask what your phone model is?

    
This sets the width to a mininum of 800px, no matter what phone model or browser you use. I'm a little confused how you can can claim this "Works well on any device" when apparently it was not tested on a phone. I, too, closed the tab before I even had a chance to learn about your product.

Update: Not OP, but I'm on a Pixel 8a with Firefox.

Re: Just use HTML

#108
post #68

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I think this style of writing tries to emulate what passed as "cool" in the early 2010s or so. Matthew Inman of "The Oatmeal" is to me a leading representative of it.

It's an extremely intentional and all but plagiaristic take on a Zed Shaw piece from the late oughts. Tastelessly slavish imitation, at absolute minimum. At least the original is linked in tiny print at the bottom, below the advertisement.

Ah, of course, how could I forget the pioneer of this style in tech and his work?

I didn't notice that link as I found the Telebugs ad off-putting and closed the tab.

I believe he mellowed out since.

Re: Just use HTML

#109

Look — I’m old enough to remember when the “web standards movement” was controversial. I had to argue with my boss about using CSS vs tables. And I remember when you did need javascript to do a lot of things that HTML now does natively. JS frameworks had to exist to push the state of the art, because the state of the art got stuck. The standards bodies and browser vendors got their shit together, and now you can do t…

Sort of but it just builds on top of cruft. CSS and html is poorly designed to do what we are doing with it today. Like I understand the point of not building bloat. But the reason why people build bloated stuff like react is because the primitives are just raw shit. HTML and css is just really bad.

Oh? All things considered, I believe html and css are both great. Incredibly flexible and very easy to get a basic "framework" started for consistent design

Everything else I've used to date (for UIs) was either extremely limited or way more complicated to use in comparison

I personally feel like the only thing we're missing is a way more aggressive deprecation policy. Not actually removing the API, just clearly signal that you would probably be better off not using it in 2025.

Re: Just use HTML

#110
post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an extremely intentional and all but plagiaristic take on a Zed Shaw piece from the late oughts. Tastelessly slavish imitation, at absolute minimum. At least the original is linked in tiny print at the bottom, below the advertisement.

Ah, of course, how could I forget the pioneer of this style in tech and his work? I didn't notice that link as I found the Telebugs ad off-putting and closed the tab. I believe he mellowed out since.

A great deal, I hear, but he was young then too, and deeply frustrated with a poisonous Boston in-crowd. The methylphenidate style has not come back into vogue in the meanwhile, no more than Rails ever has or will.
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