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OpenAI for Countries

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Re: OpenAI for Countries

#101

So let me get this straight: countries fund the infrastructure, shoulder the risk, dole out taxpayer money to the for-profit arm of OpenAI, weaken privacy laws, and hand over taxpayer data for…nothing? It just reads like a “hey gullible suckers, give us your land/money/data and we’ll let you slap our logo on stuff until it’s no longer economically convenient for us to do so, at which point we’ll demand you subsidize…

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Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Honest > positive

Well, sure, but that’s irrelevant here. Most of the commentary is presuming to know something about OpenAI’s motivations. That’s not honesty; it’s just an opinion. So my question stands. Does anyone have a positive opinion? Here’s a take. For those of us who use their tools in our day to day, we might take for granted that we have the existing and new infrastructure to support that product. Is it more good than bad t…

> presuming to know something about OpenAI’s motivations

To increase shareholder value?

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> when AI runs everything You can't be seriously considering fancy autocomplete word guessers are replacing governments when Musk can't even get Grok to stop telling Twitter users what a moron he is.

Fancy autocomplete is, today, killing people in at least two wars. We must stop dismissing the technical nightmare now at our doorstep.

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Re: OpenAI for Countries

#104

How can a glorified NLP app be equated with being the backbone of economic development and a path to AGI ? So many people have been fooled by marketing. Honestly though, we have a much bigger issue with climate change in the medium to long run and it doesn't really matter what our governments and companies do with stats and spyware. If anyone thinks we can stop and deal with the climate when it becomes a bigger probl…

> How can a glorified NLP app be equated with being the backbone of economic development and a path to AGI ? So many people have been fooled by marketing.

Regulators are still figuring out this “AI” and oAI must move into as many market to sustain their valuation and future before regulations start to close many open doors.

Also, when entire EU comission makes “AI” a core focus, all other governments are having a FOMO, which is the most fertile opportunity to entrench oneself quickly before everyone realises the smoke and mirror of “productivity gain” song means just making another layer of middleman mandatory for everything(see Apple pushing towards modifying Safari to be AI first).

Also what climate change? Everyone was being shamed into indignation recently for their carbon footprints, only to wake up to massive power infra expansion and Nvidia/Amazon/Msft announcing that everything is on the table including burning more fossil fuel to power the energy demand(utilities are usually often govt controlled and hence a social cost overall).

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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I will dare say, it's a question of what happens to Mario's brother. Jury nullification in that is the best message that could be sent to the populace.

I'm pretty sure giving everyone the belief that they can murder with impunity as long as the victim is undesirable enough would be the absolute worst thing that could happen right now.

We can already murder with impunity. Just get a few people together, form a company, and you can do whatever. Even crimes against humanity won’t get you in prison, probably. At worst you’ll lose some cash and be demoted to “normal person”.

How many people has UHC killed? I don’t know, it’s really hard to measure. Besides the people killed because they didn’t receive funding for care, there’s also the plethora of practices insurers enforce. Some, maybe most, of those practices are non-optimal, so some subset of people are dying that shouldn’t. Oh well.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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On several of Tyler Cowen's recent podcasts, he has said essentially "there are really only two countries that have AI, China and the USA. Does this mean that other countries (like Peru) won't really have a functioning, powerful government when AI runs everything". See https://conversationswithtyler.com/episodes/chris-dixon/ > As you know, not many countries have serious AI companies, and even those in Europe may or…

> when AI runs everything You can't be seriously considering fancy autocomplete word guessers are replacing governments when Musk can't even get Grok to stop telling Twitter users what a moron he is.

> fancy autocomplete word guessers are replacing governments

UK has had them in government since 2022, or maybe since Brexit/ Teresa May with her nickname Maybot.

The decline in quality of governance has been so severe, that I’d wager you would not see a difference. Both sides of the isle seem to be full of unintelligent or inexperienced people that do not believe in anything or have a vision

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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> spread democratic AI Open weights and code and models? That's the only way to ensure sovereignty. I think this company is a walking oxymoron.

Don’t forget the training data!

We are far from open training data... training data might even be incriminating.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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> It’s clear to everyone now that this kind of infrastructure is going to be the backbone of future economic growth and national development. Well, OpenAI, I think you are mixing up your own backend for economic growth with everyone’s!

i'm wondering what's going to happen when AI tells us to stop pursuing "economic growth" and instead seek "health and sustainability"

Just tweak the system prompt until global domi... I mean democracy is achieved. /s

Re: OpenAI for Countries

#109
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Why should that be a requirement? Do you have anything positive to say?

It’s not a requirement. If it’s just the culture of HN to dunk on certain companies or products, then it is. This place doesn’t belong to me any more than it belongs to you. I am hopeful though that we could encourage more diversity of opinion here. Otherwise it’s exhausting. And yes, I do, and it’s shared in a different comment. Search if you care to read it.

I’ve been noticing this a lot too. Dunk on companies and products and blindly glorify other companies and product (emotional rather than objective)

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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One of the most shocking aspects of this era of history is the number of people who not only end up accidentally resembling or aligning with the bad guys of our satire and dystopian fiction, but how many of them seem to be actively and intentionally pursuing that path. It's the Torment Nexus all the way down.

That's because there are no consequences for bad behavior, only reward. Game theory dictates that if bad behavior is a winning strategy it will be adopted and propagate until it is the dominant strategy. The only way it stops becoming a winning strategy is if we provide consequences, but that requires taking personal responsibility for the state of the world, which was a core American value, but doesn't seem to be an…

The only way out is to hold executives personally responsible for the actions of their companies, and politicians for the results of their policy.

Sam Altman should receive the same treatment as Aaron Swartz. Actually, he should be punished much more severely since the scope of his copyright infringement makes Aaron's seem like child's play.

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