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Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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Tbh I think the one general model approach is winning. People don't want to figure out which model is better at what unless its for a very specific task.

Couldn't you could place a very light weight model in front to figure out which model to use?

Good idea. Then you could place another lighter-weight model in front of THAT, to figure out which model to use in order to find out which model to use.

It,'s LLMs, all the way down.

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

#102

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Tbh I think the one general model approach is winning. People don't want to figure out which model is better at what unless its for a very specific task.

Couldn't you could place a very light weight model in front to figure out which model to use?

That’s a perfectly valid idea in theory, but in practice you’ll run into a few painful trade-offs, especially in multi-user environments. Trust me, I'm currently doing exactly that in our fairly limited exploration of how we can leverage local LLMs at work (SME).

Unless you have sufficient VRAM to keep all potential specialized models loaded simultaneously (which negates some of the "lightweight" benefit for the overall system), you'll be forced into model swapping. Constantly loading and unloading models to and from VRAM is a notoriously slow process.

If you have concurrent users with diverse needs (e.g., a developer requiring code generation and a marketing team member needing creative text), the system would have to swap models in and out if they can't co-exist in VRAM. This drastically increases latency before the selected model even begins processing the actual request.

The latency from model swapping directly translates to a poor user experience. Users, especially in an enterprise context, are unlikely to tolerate waiting for a minute or more just for the system to decide which model to use and then load it. This can quickly lead to dissatisfaction and abandonment.

This external routing mechanism is, in essence, an attempt to implement a sort of Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) architecture manually and at a much coarser grain. True MoE models (like the recently released Qwen3-30B-A3B, for instance) are designed from the ground up to handle this routing internally, often with shared parameter components and highly optimized switching mechanisms that minimize latency and resource contention.

To mitigate the latency from swapping, you'd be pressured to provision significantly more GPU resources (more cards, more VRAM) to keep a larger pool of specialized models active. This increases costs and complexity, potentially outweighing the benefits of specialization if a sufficiently capable generalist model (or a true MoE) could handle the workload with fewer resources. And a lot of those additional resources would likely sit idle for most of the time, too.

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

#103

Interesting. Europe is really putting up a fight for once. I'm into it.

Mistral isn't really Europe, it's France. Europe has some plans but as far as I can tell their goal isn't to make something that can really compete. The goal is to make EU data stay in the EU for businesses, meanwhile every user that is not forced by their company sends their data to the US or China.

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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Is there are replacement for the Safe Harbor replacement? Otherwise it could be illegal to transfer EU data to US companies

The law means don’t do what a slow moving regulator can and will prove in court. In this case, the law has no moral valence so I doubt anyone there would feel guilty breaking it. He may mean individuals are using ChatGPT unofficially even if prohibited nominally by management. Such is the case almost everywhere.

> In this case, the law has no moral valence

That's not how laws work.

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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You might be able to get your clients to sign something to allow usage, but if you don't, as you say, it doesn't seem wise to vibe code for them. For two reasons: 1. A typical contract transfers the rights to the work. The ownership of AI generated code is legally a wee bit disputed. If you modify and refactor generated code heavily it's probably fine, but if you just accept AI generated code en masse, making your cl…

Nobody is seriously disputing the ownership of AI generated code. A serious dispute would be a considerable, concerted effort to stop AI code generation in any jurisdiction, that provides a contrast to the enormous , ongoing efforts by multiple large players with eye-watering investments to make code generation bigger and better. Note, that this is not a statement about the fairness or morality of LLM building, but t…

Other forms of LLM output is being seriously challenged however.

https://llmlitigation.com/case-updates.html

Personally I have roughly zero trust in US courts on this type of issue but we'll see how it goes. Arguably there are cases to be made where LLM:s cough up code cribbed from repos with certain licenses without crediting authors and so on. It's probably a matter of time until some aggressively litigious actors do serious, systematic attempts at getting money out of this, producing case law as a by product.

Edit: Oh right, Butterick et al went after Copilot and image generation too.

https://githubcopilotlitigation.com/case-updates.html

https://imagegeneratorlitigation.com/case-updates.html

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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What's the point when we can run much powerful models now? Qwen3 , Deepseek

It would be short-termist for Americans or euros to use chinese-made models. Increasing their popularity has an indirect but significant cost in the long term. china "winning AI" should be an unacceptable outcome for America or europe by any means necessary.

Why would that be? I can see why Americans wouldn't want to do that, but Europeans? In the current political climate, where the US openly claims their desire to annex European territory and so on? I'd rather see them prefer a locally hostable open source solution like DeepSeek.

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

#108

I think this is a game changer, because data privacy is a legitimate concern for many enterprise users. Btw, you can also run Mistral locally within the Docker model runner on a Mac.

I think the the standard setup for vscode continue for ollama is already 99% of ai coding support I need. I think it is even better than commercial offerings like cursor, at least in the projects and languages I use and have tested it.

We had a Mac Studio here nobody was using and it we now use it as a tiny AI station. If we like, we could even embed our codebases, but it wasn't necessary yet. Otherwise it should be easy to just buy a decent consumer PC with a stronger GPU, but performance isn't too bad even for autocomplete.

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

#109

I think this is a game changer, because data privacy is a legitimate concern for many enterprise users. Btw, you can also run Mistral locally within the Docker model runner on a Mac.

I think the the standard setup for vscode continue for ollama is already 99% of ai coding support I need. I think it is even better than commercial offerings like cursor, at least in the projects and languages I use and have tested it. We had a Mac Studio here nobody was using and it we now use it as a tiny AI station. If we like, we could even embed our codebases, but it wasn't necessary yet. Otherwise it should be…

Which models are you using?

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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There are plenty of other ways to run Mistral models on a Mac. I'm a big fan of Mistral Small 3.1. I've run that using both Ollama (easiest) and MLX. Here are the Ollama models: https://ollama.com/library/mistral-small3.1/tags - the 15GB one works fine. For MLX https://huggingface.co/mlx-community/Mistral-Small-3.1-24B-I... and https://huggingface.co/mlx-community/Mistral-Small-3.1-24B-I... should work, I use the 8bi…

Simon, can you recommend some small models that would be usable for coding on a standard M4 Mac Mini (only 16G ram) ?

Strange idea, but if I'd like to set up a solid LLM for use in my home network, how much processing power would I need for a multi-purpose model?

A Raspberry Pi? And old ThinkPad? A fully speced-out latest gen Macbook?

edit: One of those old Mac Pros?

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