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iOS Kindle app now has a ‘get book’ button after changes to App Store rules

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Re: iOS Kindle app now has a ‘get book’ button after changes to App Store rules

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Post by threeseed »

shakna wrote: post #70
threeseed wrote: post #61

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> Phones are computers now No one but irrelevant nerds think this. And the market has demonstrated this time and time again. Most people think of phones as being console-like entertainment devices. And aren't interested in scams, malware, virus checkers etc that are needed in a free for all model.

Malware and virus protection apps are already among the most installed across both Android and iOS.

At least here in Australia. Neither are in the top 50 for either Android or iOS.

And on iOS there are no virus protection apps, period.

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Post by [deleted] »

redczar wrote: post #71
makeitdouble wrote: post #53

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They might, but they'll have lost the "it's for consumer's good" battle through and through. 4 years ago some people were still swallowing the security or privacy argument, and users didn't understand what they were missing. This time any of these facades will be broken to death.

I buy the security and privacy argument. I don’t want to deal with anyone other than Apple for refunds, cancellations, etc. I don’t trust anyone else to make these things easy.

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Re: iOS Kindle app now has a ‘get book’ button after changes to App Store rules

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Post by redczar »

tchalla wrote: post #79
redczar wrote: post #71

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I buy the security and privacy argument. I don’t want to deal with anyone other than Apple for refunds, cancellations, etc. I don’t trust anyone else to make these things easy.

I feel you to a large disagree. That said Apple’s IAP has multiple issues https://bsky.app/profile/gergely.pragmaticengineer.com/post/...

I don’t know anything about the issue from a developer perspective. I just know that as a consumer I like how Apple handles things.

Re: iOS Kindle app now has a ‘get book’ button after changes to App Store rules

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Post by burnerthrow008 »

tchalla wrote: post #79
redczar wrote: post #71

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I buy the security and privacy argument. I don’t want to deal with anyone other than Apple for refunds, cancellations, etc. I don’t trust anyone else to make these things easy.

I feel you to a large disagree. That said Apple’s IAP has multiple issues https://bsky.app/profile/gergely.pragmaticengineer.com/post/...

Really? Most of those sound like positives to me (the consumer)

I am not shedding any tears over developers not being able to nag me about why I’m cancelling, for example.

Same goes for all the shenanigans mentioned about variable pricing for different users.

I think a lot of devs are out of touch with what customers want: transparent pricing, easy cancellation, not worrying about the store running off with my credit card. How the costs are split up between Apple and the devs is jury not something anyone cares about.

Re: iOS Kindle app now has a ‘get book’ button after changes to App Store rules

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Post by bigyabai »

redczar wrote: post #91
madeofpalk wrote: post #80

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It would be great if the market could figure out this.

The market figures it wrong in lots of instances. Like cancelling cable subscriptions or gym membership. The market, in your parlance, did decide this by Apple being the most profitable phone maker. People could buy other phones and didn’t. I guess that version of the market figuring it out you don’t like.

> The market, in your parlance, did decide this by Apple being the most profitable phone maker.

I don't recall that defense saving Microsoft back in the day.

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Post by bigiain »

redczar wrote: post #71
makeitdouble wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They might, but they'll have lost the "it's for consumer's good" battle through and through. 4 years ago some people were still swallowing the security or privacy argument, and users didn't understand what they were missing. This time any of these facades will be broken to death.

I buy the security and privacy argument. I don’t want to deal with anyone other than Apple for refunds, cancellations, etc. I don’t trust anyone else to make these things easy.

But you already didn't have the security of Apple's payment processing when you were buying Kindle books.

(Admittedly, I'm now waiting for the stories of users being surprised when they paid their FartTorchPRO app subscription via paypal.ru and finding their credit card details all over the darkweb.)

Re: iOS Kindle app now has a ‘get book’ button after changes to App Store rules

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Post by makeitdouble »

redczar wrote: post #71
makeitdouble wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They might, but they'll have lost the "it's for consumer's good" battle through and through. 4 years ago some people were still swallowing the security or privacy argument, and users didn't understand what they were missing. This time any of these facades will be broken to death.

I buy the security and privacy argument. I don’t want to deal with anyone other than Apple for refunds, cancellations, etc. I don’t trust anyone else to make these things easy.

That Apple ecosystem only isolation is something you had to wish for in the first place, so for you, technically nothing changes.

For instance up until now you probably refused to register to Netflix or any other system that manages payments and subscription outside of Apple, and you can keep doing so.

Same way you probably didn't register PayPal integration that would have shifted part of the cancellation/refunds to PayPal. You of course didn't integrate PayPay either.

Basically you can keep being Apple only, as you always did. From the discovery documents, Apple didn't seem to give a damn about these and only discussed revenue regarding their policies, but you're free to see what you want in Apple's behavior.

Re: iOS Kindle app now has a ‘get book’ button after changes to App Store rules

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Post by redczar »

makeitdouble wrote: post #107
redczar wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I buy the security and privacy argument. I don’t want to deal with anyone other than Apple for refunds, cancellations, etc. I don’t trust anyone else to make these things easy.

That Apple ecosystem only isolation is something you had to wish for in the first place, so for you, technically nothing changes. For instance up until now you probably refused to register to Netflix or any other system that manages payments and subscription outside of Apple, and you can keep doing so. Same way you probably didn't register PayPal integration that would have shifted part of the cancellation/refunds to…

Yes. I don’t think Apple is a saint. I think it understands that forcing consumer friendly practices for its customers makes sense especially if they get paid to do so.

Re: iOS Kindle app now has a ‘get book’ button after changes to App Store rules

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Post by burnerthrow008 »

lurk2 wrote: post #75
wordofx wrote: post #25

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How is it worse? It’s better now for me than years ago.

Off the top of my head: - Substantially poorer performance - Keyboard is less accurate - YouTube videos can’t be played on the lock screen without some tricks - Apple Maps (it is basically at parity now, however). - Translate feature doesn’t have a copy button - The storage bug - No option for manual cache clearing - SMB protocol doesn’t work with Windows and doesn’t display error messages - File transfers are substa…

> - YouTube videos can’t be played on the lock screen without some tricks

Waiwaiwait. Hold the phone.

That’s GOOGLE’s decision, not Apple’s. This whole thread is a circle jerk about how Apple doesn’t let developers do what they want. It’s a general purpose computer and all that. This is an example of what happens when Apple doesn’t prevent developers from doing something anti-consumer.

Re: iOS Kindle app now has a ‘get book’ button after changes to App Store rules

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Post by redczar »

bigyabai wrote: post #105
redczar wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The market figures it wrong in lots of instances. Like cancelling cable subscriptions or gym membership. The market, in your parlance, did decide this by Apple being the most profitable phone maker. People could buy other phones and didn’t. I guess that version of the market figuring it out you don’t like.

> The market, in your parlance, did decide this by Apple being the most profitable phone maker. I don't recall that defense saving Microsoft back in the day.

My point is, saying “let the market decide” is a stupid response. One can always pick a starting point and say, “but the market did decide”.
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