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“Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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I’m with you, let us install programs like on a PC.

It wouldn't even be hard to achieve security: (1) sandboxing, (2) permissions system, (3) database of bad app signatures, (4) heuristics based monitoring. Most of this is already in place. There's no excuse except money and power.

Because that's worked so well for PCs?

Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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If that's the thing Google is trying to address, they can easily incentivize it - Java apps are usually quite easy to decompile and check. Search for library versions in use, force upgrades on security vulnerabilities. But they're not doing that. So clearly their goal is something else.

"Force" upgrades? What do you mean?

Check for vulnerabilities in dependencies and do the same thing they described in this post, just with... meaningful feedback.

I'm more an infra guy, and such scans are actually absolutely awesome. I see everything in my k8s clusters, all java/python dependencies that need attention.

I'm more surprised how anyone can run an app for more than 2 weeks with no high severity vulnerabilities. I guess mobile doesn't have the same attack vectors, but still

Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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Our company just got a warning that we have sixty days to release something on Play or have our developer console account closed. The email made it pretty clear that Google wants developers to continuously push new versions to customers. We have no new features nor bug fixes in backlog. There is nothing to update. The only purpose of our software is to control hardware that our company makes. Nobody uses it for fun,…

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Sure, Google is making sure app vendors comply with regulations in specialized industries. /s

Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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I noticed this banner on one of my own apps while installing it for my mom on a new phone. The banner said "This app has fewer users than others...", almost as if they are discouraging users from installing it without even informing me. I looked it up online and it seems like many people have begun seeing this. I am linking a thread. If anyone from Google is reading this, such opaque policies are not appreciated!

It does seem like an Anti-Pattern. Presumably (some faction inside) Google wants to warn users about scam apps. However this seems like blatant shaming and ostracization of smaller developers who did not spend $$$$$ on Marketing through Google's Ad Network. Seems Monopolistic of Google to me.

It also disadvantages any apps that compete with Google's own apps.

Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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Our company just got a warning that we have sixty days to release something on Play or have our developer console account closed. The email made it pretty clear that Google wants developers to continuously push new versions to customers. We have no new features nor bug fixes in backlog. There is nothing to update. The only purpose of our software is to control hardware that our company makes. Nobody uses it for fun,…

You can update the version number and re-release. I think this may grant also adding the update note "Updated version number. Nothing else. Thank you Google".

Since they have 60 days to release something, they should have a dummy application which does nothing, but which just increments its version number.

Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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"Force" upgrades? What do you mean?

Check for vulnerabilities in dependencies and do the same thing they described in this post, just with... meaningful feedback. I'm more an infra guy, and such scans are actually absolutely awesome. I see everything in my k8s clusters, all java/python dependencies that need attention. I'm more surprised how anyone can run an app for more than 2 weeks with no high severity vulnerabilities. I guess mobile doesn't have t…

Mobile has unbelievably smaller attack vectors due to the hefty sandboxing, as long as you're doing normal things and not including a bunch of janky ad libraries. You're largely just contacting APIs you control and not running arbitrary code, and there's no outside connections coming in at all - lots of extremely bad CVEs are completely irrelevant in that context.

Sure, you can bend your scope to make them relevant... but if you've got someone who can control your system in ways you didn't build by bypassing the OS protections, they already have control of the device and can do darn near anything. If you haven't protected from that, and it's frequently not possible, many other protections are meaningless.

Your backend though has to handle this kind of malicious-modified-client scenario, as well as random connections from code you don't control at all.

(This is not true for all apps of course, but for B2B stuff? Most small companies? Frequently valid)

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Not OP, but depending on the industry, this could be enormous amounts of backend work. I have projects that needs to be validated, which effectively means a huge amount of human testing for any change. The Process is confirmed to work on version X.Y.Z and nothing else.

Ah interesting. Even so for like a small styling change?

A change is a change. I have certainly made a few “safe, meaningless, no possible way it could break something” edits which blew up in some unexpected way. Why take the risk for some inconsequential update? Someone has to sign off on why this commit needs to be fast tracked outside the normal process.

Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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I’m with you, let us install programs like on a PC.

It wouldn't even be hard to achieve security: (1) sandboxing, (2) permissions system, (3) database of bad app signatures, (4) heuristics based monitoring. Most of this is already in place. There's no excuse except money and power.

> Most of this is already in place.

No, it's in 10 different places.

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