Earlier quoted context omitted.
The US has immigration
Japan might want to consider it soon too.
Japan already is. Going to Japan today you’ll see that it’s an extremely multicultural country loaded with tourists and immigrants.
California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy
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Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy
#102The title almost implies that CA had some unnatural acceleration to put it past japan. I think it's more that japan has been declining. This won't last once the US population starts declining. We've been held afloat by immigration but even that's running out. Japan was ahead of the curve in terms of modernity. Looking at them is almost like looking at our own future.
>We've been held afloat by immigration but even that's running out.
'Running out' - cute euphemism for 'you're not welcome', and very much worser: 'deportation'.
Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy
#103California’s GDP is now twice as large as Russia’s. Yet the President of the United States seems to spend a lot of time trying to make Russians happy, and zero time making Californians happy.
California is anti-American and disloyal, because they voted for the other party. /s Russia, on the other hand, supports the President, so they deserve to be rewarded.
>Russia, on the other hand, supports the President, so they deserve to be rewarded.
You forgot the /SS [Not being historical, damn autocorrect, i mean hysterical, but comments; comments, they're a beautiful thing, comments - i meant /sarcasm, sarcasm. Beautiful sarcasm, they had sarcasm-such a beautiful word - two hundred years ago...etc, etc.
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While a low effort comment, it does touch on an important topic. Imagine if CA was run with the kind of efficiency that Singapore or South Korea was run. Clean, safe streets. Modern infrastructure. Instead we get a state government that is going to waste the goose that laid the golden egg. The high taxes paid disappear in a black hole centered in Sacramento. CA reminds me of New Jersey. Other states used to be jealou…
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why?
Because the country will die soon (in civilization time scale)?
Eh, this seems dubious. If there's something structural within a nation that is leading to lower birth rates, importing excess humans from other countries doesn't actually address the root problem.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
The US has immigration
Magically, immigration is the _one_ supply shock that has zero impact on wages. Or, the _one_ demand shock that has zero impact on housing prices. The only impact it apparently does have is to make the GDP number go up.
Anything sounds wonderful if you ignore the problems.
Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
If California separated from the US, most of California would separate from California and rejoin the US. Read about the "State of Jefferson" movement, etc. The Coastal cities in California are really a completely different place from the rest of the state, and the rest of the state is pretty dissatisfied with this union.
That thing only has an estimated 3 million people, and that's including a lot of Oregon. Surprisingly, those Coastal cities have a lot of people (common theme in the US).
Those Coastal cities have lot of people, yes, but not a lot of land.
It also isn't just north California, but also the east.
Here, check out this map. https://www.politico.com/2024-election/results/california/
It seems reasonable to expect all of the Trump-voting areas to stick with the United States.
This would end up being more of a Hong Kong type situation, and less of a Taiwan-type situation.
Without having any of it's own agriculture, and without being able to act as the middle-man for all of the trade between Asia and America, California would find itself in an extremely precarious situation.
Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
That thing only has an estimated 3 million people, and that's including a lot of Oregon. Surprisingly, those Coastal cities have a lot of people (common theme in the US).
Those Coastal cities have lot of people, yes, but not a lot of land. It also isn't just north California, but also the east. Here, check out this map. https://www.politico.com/2024-election/results/california/ It seems reasonable to expect all of the Trump-voting areas to stick with the United States. This would end up being more of a Hong Kong type situation, and less of a Taiwan-type situation. Without having any o…
As soon as California left, it would be a very small, weak territory with almost no military capacity.
And it would be home to some of the most important natural resources around, deep water ports in particular.
Imagine that California was a separate country today. Military conquest by America would be an obvious course of action.
The real outcome of this would be the transformation of the coastal cities into non-state US territories under military control, without no voting rights or citizenship.
And that actually might be a pretty good outcome?
Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy
#110I wish we had the same outsized influence over the US federal policy as well.
Honestly 80% of California's problems are self-inflicted NIMBYs limiting growth. Crazy crime handling policies in SF (which are getting reverted now). Cities outside the main centers (SFBA, LA, etc) dying. Complete political ineptitude for things like HSR No wonder they're losing population
> No wonder they're losing population
They’re not. Net change went negative during the pandemic but has since rebounded. California’s population fell in only 3 of the years 2011 - 2024.