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Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by skrebbel »

Akronymus wrote: post #81
skrebbel wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's a parking minimum?

A minimum amount of parking spots per patron capacity. So a bar with 60 people capacity must have 15 parking spaces. [0] Usually parking minimums are WAY too high in required parking spaces to make sense in most cases. Which leads to stuff like a arena having 5x the land area be parking than what is taken up by the arena itself. [1] 0: https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/harrison/latest/harris... (this is for harri…

The idea of a bar (ie a place people go to get drunk) with a dedicated parking lot strikes me as particularly bad for road safety. I'm baffled that this is not only encouraged, but mandated.

How do people do this in practice? Just drink and drive and hope they don't crash / get fined? Or does everybody bring 1 friend who sips colas the whole night?

Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by fakeBeerDrinker »

ekianjo wrote: post #47
notesinthefield wrote: post #8

I am overwhelmed with the thought of nearly 82 thousand bars within a country roughly the size of Ohio.

And South Korea has one of the highest rates of stomach cancer.

After living there for about four years, my mind goes immediately to soju. Not sure if there is a connection, but that’s something I might deep dive with an LLM today.

Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by vulcan01 »

skrebbel wrote: post #101
Akronymus wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A minimum amount of parking spots per patron capacity. So a bar with 60 people capacity must have 15 parking spaces. [0] Usually parking minimums are WAY too high in required parking spaces to make sense in most cases. Which leads to stuff like a arena having 5x the land area be parking than what is taken up by the arena itself. [1] 0: https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/harrison/latest/harris... (this is for harri…

The idea of a bar (ie a place people go to get drunk) with a dedicated parking lot strikes me as particularly bad for road safety. I'm baffled that this is not only encouraged, but mandated. How do people do this in practice? Just drink and drive and hope they don't crash / get fined? Or does everybody bring 1 friend who sips colas the whole night?

We call the latter a designated driver [1] though as you can imagine sometimes the designated driver is "only" slightly drunk.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_driver

Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by testing22321 »

bobxmax wrote: post #98
notesinthefield wrote: post #8

I am overwhelmed with the thought of nearly 82 thousand bars within a country roughly the size of Ohio.

If this is correct, it seems like Seoul has over 40x the number of bars that Chicago has, despite having only about 4x the population How in the hell?

Many countries have much more used “public” spaces, and people spend much more time in them, together.

The idea of driving home to the suburbs and locking yourself into your private home is very North American.

I just got back from10 months across Europe. The number of people in public places eating, chatting and just spending time (no simply going somewhere) makes LA or Chicago look like a ghost town.

Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by bobxmax »

testing22321 wrote: post #104
bobxmax wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this is correct, it seems like Seoul has over 40x the number of bars that Chicago has, despite having only about 4x the population How in the hell?

Many countries have much more used “public” spaces, and people spend much more time in them, together. The idea of driving home to the suburbs and locking yourself into your private home is very North American. I just got back from10 months across Europe. The number of people in public places eating, chatting and just spending time (no simply going somewhere) makes LA or Chicago look like a ghost town.

Sure, but that's still an astronomically higher number of bars

the UK in totality has 45k pubs, nearly half Seoul's number

this is mostly emblematic of South Korea's major alcoholism problem. way too many bars and too much drinking.

Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by anthk »

bigbacaloa wrote: post #59
notesinthefield wrote: post #8

I am overwhelmed with the thought of nearly 82 thousand bars within a country roughly the size of Ohio.

"Bar" doesn't mean the same thing in every country. In Spain although a bar serves alcohol of all kinds it is also where one eats breakfast and lunch and gets a coffee. They are indispensable social centers and even a tiny town of 150 has one.

Town? More like village. You can have a nearly empty church, but there's no village without a bar.

Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by neves »

Animats wrote: post #52

If you just use the simple-minded Bell Labs probabilistic algorithm, how much worse is that result? The classic TSP approach is: 1. Hook up all the nodes in some arbitrary path. 2. Cut the path in two places to create three pieces. 3. Rearrange those three pieces in the six possible ways and keep the shortest. 4. Iterate steps 2-3 until no improvement has been observed for a while. This is not guaranteed to be optima…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tChnXG6ulyE

Author's presentation about it

Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by skrebbel »

vulcan01 wrote: post #103
skrebbel wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea of a bar (ie a place people go to get drunk) with a dedicated parking lot strikes me as particularly bad for road safety. I'm baffled that this is not only encouraged, but mandated. How do people do this in practice? Just drink and drive and hope they don't crash / get fined? Or does everybody bring 1 friend who sips colas the whole night?

We call the latter a designated driver [1] though as you can imagine sometimes the designated driver is "only" slightly drunk. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_driver

Yeah but I mean, if everybody goes to the pub by car, does it mean everybody brings a designated driver? Or is this one of those things where everybody drives drunk but pretends nobody does?

Re: Shortest-possible walking tour to 81,998 bars in South Korea

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Post by saalweachter »

throwaway290 wrote: post #58
codemac wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but Ohio has ~4200 bars[0]. Which is roughly 1/4 the ratio of bars to people. [0]: https://rentechdigital.com/smartscraper/business-report-deta...

82k places in Korea include any restaurant or joint or karaoke with a license to serve alcohol. Personally I would not care to call 80% of them "bar". So in Ohio probably everything with class C and D license. How many is not public but probably many times more than 4k. Many actual street level bona fide bars in Seoul (which has half of all the people of the entire country and the most bars by far) are tiny rooms tha…

Ok, that gets the numbers in line -- there are about 27,000 liquor licenses in Ohio, according to a random Google, which is about the same per capita.

South Korea apparently ranks #97 on alcohol deaths, so it's apparently not a problematic number of bars, by global standards.

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