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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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post #5

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I can zoom just fine on mobile Safari.

So what? His complaint is easily verifiable, and valid:

I jumped on this bandwagon long back for preventing horizontal scrollbars and other issues. Is there an updated advice for allowing zoom and being responsive?

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

#102
post #81

I don't like how this was rolled out. I'm currently paying for "Unlimited Kagi Assistant" and the Kagi website STILL advertises "Unlimited Kagi Assistant". And they stealthily rolled in limits? I pay the same amount, but it's no longer unlimited, and I only know about this because I happened to notice it on HN. Otherwise I would only know after hitting a limit.

Fair-use limitations were always there. It sounds like they weren't actively enforcing it, but now they are because of some problem users. I don't think anything has changed for you unless you're one of the users this refers to: Q: Why did Kagi start enforcing the fair use policy? A: The policy was enforced due to excessive use. For instance, the top 10 users accounted for approximately 14% of the total costs, with s…

I'm really surprised that more people didn't jump on the unlimited usage of Claude3.7, tbh.

Don't think it's fair to call users problematic when they were using the product as advertised. "Unlimited" has a meaning.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

#103
post #45

I was given a free month of Kagi to test, and it had so many rough edges that during the last days of of the trial I was already using Google again. Notable issues for me: - maps (from Mapbox) are really bad. Sluggish performance and lack of information - barely any info boxes - no translation feature ("gründonnerstag englisch") gives me links to leo.org (which was a cool site in the 00s) and to other sites, but Goog…

I think those are all perfectly valid points. As a Kagi early adopter they don't weigh as heavily that they ultimately make a difference, but it also feels like most things that are not AI related are not receiving that much attention nowadays, which is a bit disheartening to see.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

#104
post #81

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Fair-use limitations were always there. It sounds like they weren't actively enforcing it, but now they are because of some problem users. I don't think anything has changed for you unless you're one of the users this refers to: Q: Why did Kagi start enforcing the fair use policy? A: The policy was enforced due to excessive use. For instance, the top 10 users accounted for approximately 14% of the total costs, with s…

I'm really surprised that more people didn't jump on the unlimited usage of Claude3.7, tbh. Don't think it's fair to call users problematic when they were using the product as advertised. "Unlimited" has a meaning.

> Don't think it's fair to call users problematic when they were using the product as advertised. "Unlimited" has a meaning.

I'm sympathetic to that argument, for sure, but it's also just a branding-label to not necessarily be taken literally. There must always be a limit to everything as there's only so much energy in the universe: so, the word 'unlimited', in every real-world physical context, is still with limits.

Read the T&Cs should always be the the advice.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

#105
post #21

It would be nice if all models where available on every plan too.

They give more for free, and your only thought is "sure would be nice if they gave even more for free"?

Honestly, everything should be free, and they could just make money from ads (which I’d block with my ad blocker).

/s

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

#106
post #78
post #59

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I mean, it's pretty easy to use. It's a toggle switch in the UI.

If it is a switch in the UI, then that is just trusting the site. If you trust companies with what they say they do, then why not enter your query in any search engine that does not require a login? Afaik none of them say that they will try to apply fuzzy fingerprinting to cluster your searches into a profile.

Honest question: Is private search achievable with your worldview?

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

#107
post #81

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Fair-use limitations were always there. It sounds like they weren't actively enforcing it, but now they are because of some problem users. I don't think anything has changed for you unless you're one of the users this refers to: Q: Why did Kagi start enforcing the fair use policy? A: The policy was enforced due to excessive use. For instance, the top 10 users accounted for approximately 14% of the total costs, with s…

I have no idea if I will be limited or not. I can see I have about 3 million tokens used per month. But I don't know where the limits are.

Kagi says they will charge the actual token costs of the underlying API's. They will hopefully make the actual calculation visible soon.

If we make a quick back of the envelope estimation: in the outlier case if those 3 million tokens are mostly output tokens and you always used an advanced model like GPT 4.1 which costs $8 per 1 million output tokens you would be close to hitting the limit that the plan provides ($24 out of $25 worth of tokens).

In pretty much most other scenario's (including a higher proportion of input vs output tokens and mixing in cheaper models) you could be a long way from hitting the limit. For example if you used half of those tokens on GPT 4.1 Mini instead of GPT 4.1 you'd only be roughly halfway to your limit ($14 out of 25$ worth of tokens).

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

#108
post #55

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Revenue != profit. Discord, like almost every 2010s SaaS startup, has revenue (from your Nitro) - but not nearly enough to cover expenses.

Not enough to cover expenses? Do you understand what you're saying? That they're running a deficit for 15 years. Companies must make profit, or they vanish. They clearly make a profit, otherwise they would no longer exist.

> Companies must make profit, or they vanish.

Oh, buddy. That's how it's supposed to work, but that is not how it works at all.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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They are profitable And besides my point was that it's pretty clear what their monetization is and that it's not some mystery

> They are profitable Citation needed. With this type of company and business model, it's highly unusual to be profitable, so the burden of proof is on those who say it is.

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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

#110
post #97
post #68

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How do you know they do that? And how do you know Kagi does not? Whatever the engines secretly do, why would I use one where on top of that I have to actively tag every one of my searches with my email?

> How do you know they do that? Because it has been widely discussed for years. > And how do you know Kagi does not? Because the source code of that feature is open and you can look into it I guess

> Because it has been widely discussed for years.

That Google does fingerprinting across searches to cluster them and pinpoint them to a person? Are you sure you are not confusing this with cookies? Cookies are under my control. I can decide to not store them or just delete them.

> Because the source code of that feature is open and you can look into it I guess

You can't know what source code that is running on the server which you send your queries to.

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