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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by Brendinooo »

johanvts wrote: post #57
Brendinooo wrote: post #27

>This newsletter doesn’t delve into politics, and the reason for this change is both pretty obvious and not in need of further discussion here. Can someone state the obvious for me please? The two thoughts in my head were "this is because tourism is down" and "this is because migrants/asylum seekers aren't crossing the border at the moment". I would think you'd draw different conclusions if it's one or the other, but…

A general sense that the US is actively trying to hurt us in the rest of the world. Enabling Putin, stopping USAID programs, imposing tariffs etc. the list is long by now. Just makes you not feel like supporting it by buying US or going there and spending money. Secondly lots of stories about tourists being detained by ICE make it feel even almost scary to go.

I get that narrative. I guess my point is that, if border crossings at the US-Mexico border are down 90%+ compared to last year, and if some migrants/asylum seekers fly in instead of crossing a border on foot/in a car, then how much of this decrease is would-be migrants deciding it's not a good time, and how much of this is would-be tourists being scared of detention? Is that even possible to know?

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by threeseed »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #29
aiisahik wrote: post #13

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. I'd be interested in alternate viewpoints since I may be in a bleeding-heart, empathetic, progressive, consequence-considering news bubble. My reasoning is t…

> whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change"

Of course it is. Because the chance of a global recession is about 50% now.

Which means millions of people are going to lose their jobs, businesses will collapse, governments will go into deficit and cut services and there will be needless suffering only a few years after COVID.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by mannykannot »

potato3732842 wrote: post #34
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. I'd be interested in alternate viewpoints since I may be in a bleeding-heart, empathetic, progressive, consequence-considering news bubble. My reasoning is t…

>I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. Exactly. Americans generally don't understand the degree to which the rest of the world gets the CNN 5min recap of what's going on in the US, and it's very…

I doubt that seeing the Fox spin on US events would persuade many people that the US is currently a place of rationality and the rule of law.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by ash-ali »

codybontecou wrote: post #71
ultim8k wrote: post #48

I'm waiting to see the effects of the brain drain

Know of any good programs that countries are offering to accelerate this?

i know europe is making it easier for grants/proposals to go through and lessening the overall time it takes for grants to be accepted, for people in academia leaving the US

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

chimeracoder wrote: post #86
world2vec wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this. If someone from "high tier" countries like Canada and Germany can get locked up in ICE jails for several weeks imagine someone like me from a peripheral European country. Even worse, my youngest brother that has a more "tanned" appearance. tattoos, and a beard. I won't be visiting the US for the foreseeable future (used to go several times per year for work), just not worth the risk.

> Exactly this. If someone from "high tier" countries like Canada and Germany can get locked up in ICE jails for several weeks imagine someone like me from a peripheral European country. Even worse, my youngest brother that has a more "tanned" appearance. tattoos, and a beard. Out of curiosity, what do you think it's like to travel to Europe as someone who is dark-skinned, has a beard, and does not have a European pa…

I would hope it doesn't include getting locked up despite having a valid visa and proof of a return flight for several weeks.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

duxup wrote: post #51
aiisahik wrote: post #13

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

Just the trade stuff, Trump's childish threats to allies. All seem baseless and arbitrary. Trump can't even keep track of who started the war in Ukraine... People don't realize how much good will is being toss aside.

All of it.

All of it is being tossed aside.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by seb1204 »

input_sh wrote: post #3

APIS I-92 data is a way better source. Includes all the airports, not just top 8: https://www.trade.gov/us-international-air-travel-statistics... The latest month available is still February though.

Data pool optimised (switchsd off) by DOGE?

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by PaulRobinson »

Brendinooo wrote: post #27

>This newsletter doesn’t delve into politics, and the reason for this change is both pretty obvious and not in need of further discussion here. Can someone state the obvious for me please? The two thoughts in my head were "this is because tourism is down" and "this is because migrants/asylum seekers aren't crossing the border at the moment". I would think you'd draw different conclusions if it's one or the other, but…

People are staying away from an oligarchy where habeas corpus has been suspended for a wide range of situations, and that results in extradition without an option of release to El Salvador. That's the obvious bit the rest of us know and can see and TFA draws a line to that you can't see yet.

Tourism is not down in other countries. Migrants/asylum seekers don't typically fly in by plane to the top 8 airports in the US, and those that do, do not do so in numbers anywhere near large enough to account for the change in numbers.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by palata »

potato3732842 wrote: post #34
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. I'd be interested in alternate viewpoints since I may be in a bleeding-heart, empathetic, progressive, consequence-considering news bubble. My reasoning is t…

>I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. Exactly. Americans generally don't understand the degree to which the rest of the world gets the CNN 5min recap of what's going on in the US, and it's very…

When the President of the United States threatens to invade ex-allies, I don't think that the threatened people give a shit about what the American people think about it. The fact that this guy is the President means that most Americans were not against it, right?

Of course most Americans don't want random people detained. But still, this is happening in the US.

And one thing that I believe is absolutely clear outside the US (whether it's true or not), is that most Americans are perfectly fine with "America First". Americans don't really care about the impact of Trump on the rest of the world; they care about the impact on themselves. Boycotting US products is a way to impact the American people, in the hope that the American people will eventually realise that what's best for them is also better for the others.

Something that I found interesting: when Canadians started booing the US anthem in NHL games, Americans started booing the Canadian anthem. Why? Canada didn't do anything to the US. Does it sound that most Americans are against what's happening, when they defend it? There is this kind of American patriotism where people seem to be like "Yes, my government, is bullying you, but I won't admit it and I will fight against you if you say it. But I'm a good guy, I don't want my government to bully you. I'll just support it because it's my country".

So yeah... pretty sure that it feels a lot different from the outside than from the inside.

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