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Around the World, Many People Are Leaving Their Childhood Religions

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Re: Around the World, Many People Are Leaving Their Childhood Religions

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

kulahan wrote: post #54
candiddevmike wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unfortunate that your research led you to religion instead of learning more about evolution

This is such an incoherent response. Evolution and creationism are absolutely in sync. Do you think it’s somehow beyond the reach of an omnipotent/omniscient being to set up an evolutionary chain? Many, many scientists start gravitating back towards religion. I’ll never understand the cocky approach with this topic.

Who are these many many scientists? Real science I mean.

For a physicist for instance, being in god is symptomatic of a mental disease, probably multiple personalities disorder -- because these two concepts cannot live together in one brain that believes both.

Re: Around the World, Many People Are Leaving Their Childhood Religions

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #8

I was born atheist as I think we all are. But I rejected the kind of indoctrination that follows pretty early on. More or less when I found out Santa Clause was a social construct that everyone agreed to lie about I started to question everything really. But also asking myself, "If this is bullshit, why would people lie about it?" I was satisfied in my atheism. Weirdly though, my mom took my sister and I to a Quaker…

Maybe you like these kind of meetings (why not) - what does religion has to do with that?

Re: Around the World, Many People Are Leaving Their Childhood Religions

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

throwanem wrote: post #17
JKCalhoun wrote: post #8

I was born atheist as I think we all are. But I rejected the kind of indoctrination that follows pretty early on. More or less when I found out Santa Clause was a social construct that everyone agreed to lie about I started to question everything really. But also asking myself, "If this is bullshit, why would people lie about it?" I was satisfied in my atheism. Weirdly though, my mom took my sister and I to a Quaker…

Oh, he just means you need the experience of doubt before you can approach the experience of acceptance, because otherwise how'd you know the difference between what's true and what you'd like to believe? Quakers like as much as anyone else to be taken as having had some special revelation, especially if they can get that to happen without having to show so bold as to overtly seek to claim it. Don't go thinking they'…

Or he likes these kind of meetings.

Re: Around the World, Many People Are Leaving Their Childhood Religions

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

wincy wrote: post #18

I was a hardcore Dawkins fan at 16. Insufferable edgelord sort, and thought I’d stay that way. Then again I grew up Mormon and their theological rigor is… extremely tenuous. My grandmother was Catholic but I wasn’t really exposed to it as a kid. I’m 38 now and in the process of becoming Catholic. I’ve started going to mass every day. I’m not really sure why but I feel really great. Our goal is to inoculate our childr…

As an atheist that inoculated atheism in my children (not that it was hard to do, they simply stated to think by themselves) I can tell you that life is great.

We do not need someone to tell you how the wrote is - we can see it ourselves. What we see in life is explained by science, that brings in new progress - we do not need a group that claims that gif dud everything, to tell later that it was just allegoric when science explained it.

We do not need the mud of religion to cover for what it cannot explain - you mention how an insufferable edgelird you were, but religion is this, plus no will to change our learn.

Re: Around the World, Many People Are Leaving Their Childhood Religions

#105

Post by BrandoElFollito »

deadbabe wrote: post #13

Unfortunately, people will believe equally stupid and magical things that are just as bad as religions, so this isn’t the win you think it is if you’re hoping for a more rational, stable world. Religions help keep destructive people in check. There are people who readily admit that the ONLY reason they haven’t gone on a shooting spree ending with blowing their brains out is their religious faith.

Or that they are just sane people.

Re: Around the World, Many People Are Leaving Their Childhood Religions

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Post by pmcjones »

ijidak wrote: post #42
squigz wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you look at the robustness of complex systems we design (i.e., IT systems) vs the robustness of the human body, I think it is at least fair to say it could be designed better.

Wait. How many times has your vision frozen? Your brain crashed? How many times has your hearing stuttered in and out? How many hearts have you had changed out in your lifetime? Eyes? Ears? Are you on your second or third tongue? To say that IT systems are more robust than the biological systems is wild. A healthy human lives on average for sixty plus years with almost every major system in the body being totally bey…

The Voyager computers have done pretty well (with some help from JPL).

Re: Around the World, Many People Are Leaving Their Childhood Religions

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Post by throwanem »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #103
throwanem wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, he just means you need the experience of doubt before you can approach the experience of acceptance, because otherwise how'd you know the difference between what's true and what you'd like to believe? Quakers like as much as anyone else to be taken as having had some special revelation, especially if they can get that to happen without having to show so bold as to overtly seek to claim it. Don't go thinking they'…

Or he likes these kind of meetings.

¿Á que punto dije no está los dos?

Re: Around the World, Many People Are Leaving Their Childhood Religions

#108

Post by JKCalhoun »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #102
JKCalhoun wrote: post #8

I was born atheist as I think we all are. But I rejected the kind of indoctrination that follows pretty early on. More or less when I found out Santa Clause was a social construct that everyone agreed to lie about I started to question everything really. But also asking myself, "If this is bullshit, why would people lie about it?" I was satisfied in my atheism. Weirdly though, my mom took my sister and I to a Quaker…

Maybe you like these kind of meetings (why not) - what does religion has to do with that?

"Meeting" is what the Quakers call "church".

Re: Around the World, Many People Are Leaving Their Childhood Religions

#109

Post by BrandoElFollito »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #108
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you like these kind of meetings (why not) - what does religion has to do with that?

"Meeting" is what the Quakers call "church".

Yes, I understand that but if what is needed is a group of people that have a certain set of behaviours (silence, or dancing, or talking about science), a religion is not needed. Joining a religion just because the way people meet is a bit too much, no? You also need to take in the whole set of religious stuff.

I completely understand that some places bring the kind of inner peace someone needs. I like to sit in churches to think because they are nice, cool and silent. I aml also an "active" atheist and these things do not clash. It is just that churches in my country (France) are great places for this kind of meditation, but it could also be a Buddhist temple or anything else not related to religion.

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