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Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by xattt »

samiv wrote: post #45

I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

Isn’t that the point of Pluton?

(1) https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/hardware-...

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

badsectoracula wrote: post #80
miohtama wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trick is that most of the users need this service. Before Windows Defender was built in you had to buy an anti virus software from sneak oil Windows security industry, and likely get somehow scammed in process. The same companies sell anti virus for Android today. Also most users is not all.

But this made Windows Defender an actually good and useful feature for the users. Requiring an online account to use Windows isn't really the same thing.

Except that on Home edition it detects everything as a virus, so all programs have an explanation that if Defender detects it as a virus, then just ignore it.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

atemerev wrote: post #89
mythz wrote: post #22

All these user hostile behavior finally tipped me over the edge last year after I started to get Windows 10 EOL popups. No way I was going to "upgrade" to a ad/spyware/subscription ridden MS marketing platform and be constantly nagged at to try out more of their services. Moved to a Fedora Desktop, liberating to move back to an conflict-free OS whose primary focus is to serve its users, imagine that.

Windows is a launcher for games, there is no other use for this system (correction: it still runs some specialized professional software that is too expensive to port). And now, even most of the games work on Linux too.

I have lots of windows (mainly music) software that I need, let alone outright purchased, and isn't available on Linux.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by eru »

agilob wrote: post #53
samiv wrote: post #45

I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

That's the main reason why Valve is investing in Linux and Steam Deck.

Apropos, running Steam on my Archlinux Desktop with Windows compatibility turned on works really, really well. Much better than what I remembered from the bad old days of trying to get stuff running in Wine.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by 3np »

sshine wrote: post #97
cedws wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would never work, they would have to have some kind of override. Microsoft doesn’t have that kind of leverage over Windows users because they don’t have tight vertical integration. If Windows 12 enforced that, users would just stay on Windows 11 and MS’ leverage would decrease even further.

I can’t believe people didn’t stay on Windows 7. It seems to have slid into some always-online ad-filled cloud hellhole since. Office365 is worse than Office 2000. This is the OEM strategy still at play. You gotta hand it to Bill Gates for capturing PCs for decades. People truly don’t care how poor their operating system behaves, because your only other option is to buy a Mac.

Some do, I guess.

https://github.com/i486girl/win7-sp2

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43445103

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by DeathArrow »

All the computers are connected to the Internet? Can you still buy something without having to register and without that software always be communicating to home servers? Can you still buy a software product and do whatever you wish with it, for as long as you want and without having to pay subscriptions or be forced to upgrade?

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by jajko »

PeterStuer wrote: post #98
cedws wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would never work, they would have to have some kind of override. Microsoft doesn’t have that kind of leverage over Windows users because they don’t have tight vertical integration. If Windows 12 enforced that, users would just stay on Windows 11 and MS’ leverage would decrease even further.

Windows 12 Enterprise would have the option, Windows 13 Enterpise would remove the option but allow for a signed "legacy" sandbox. Windows 14 Enterprise would have no option. They can play the long game.

Sure, if we talk about decade or more, companies can and will adapt. They can run several apps in VM, or just migrate to Unix. I've worked at bank who was through and through completely Linux including all front desk people, in 2010. If rigid banks can do it, everybody can.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by ohgr »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #50
ohgr wrote: post #16

I give it a week before someone patches it. I’m using LTSC. That’s fine. I suspect that’ll never require a Microsoft account. Edit: come on EU. Step up here. Tell them they need to give the users choice.

Do you still need an enterprise agreement to get a license for LTSC? That used to be the case for 10, anyways... kinda puts it out of the reach of most users.

No you just steal it and pretend it’s ok because the machine came with windows 11. Tech companies taught me it’s ok to steal and do things without permission.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

charcircuit wrote: post #67
soraminazuki wrote: post #11

It's such an absurd lie. If Microsoft's idea of security is to force its users to authenticate online for a local account, they should never be allowed in the software industry at all. They're needlessly and dramatically increasing the attack surface of one of the most security critical software running on user devices.

Microsoft's idea of security is moving people away from local accounts protected by passwords and to Microsoft accounts protected Windows Hello. The Windows Hello PIN is protected by the TPM. This means you can't brute force it like a password could be.

To brute force a password, attacker needs full access to the system, guessing the password won't give them more access.
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