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Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Post by creaturemachine »

NullPrefix wrote: post #78
legitster wrote: post #46

I've grown a little bit more skeptical of what can realistically be achieved by the passive nature of YIMBY-ism. In Portland, they passed some radical new zoning laws a few years ago that allowed anyone, anywhere the ability to zone ADUs on their property. And the cost to get permits is almost nothing. I have lots of friends and family in the area with property. But not a single one has added an ADU. It seems like it…

what are ADUs?

Additional Dwelling Units, basically additional houses on lots traditionally zoned for only one.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Post by MattGaiser »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #4

Instead of getting tangled up in social issues, liberal politicians should be prioritizing housing, infrastructure and government services supporting people's economic activity of all kinds. Delivering better lives for people, and having the courage to stand up to vested interests, from house owners to corporations, would create a huge and lasting political win across a broad section of the electorate.

Home owners are by far the majority, so battling home owners is an easy ticket to defeat.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Post by singpolyma3 »

ReptileMan wrote: post #81
e40 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>* There's a general fear of being a landlord. Tenants have a lot of legal rights, and the risk of inviting someone onto your property who could start squatting or doing drugs and not being able to evict them is beyond the pale for most families.* This is a big problem in a lot of places. It's really hard for cities to strike a good balance between renters and owners, and I think few do it well. Especially for the ed…

The balance simple - renters have total rights as long as they pay on time and there is no damage on the property except normal wear and tear and 0 when when not paying. You as landlord can't say anything as long as the property is not damaged for the duration of the contract. You always renegotiate at market rates. There is no concept of squatting and evictions are fast. That's it. Works like a charm. No bullshits l…

This is ideal if you're a landlord, but hell if you're a tenant.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Post by Gerardo1 »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #75
knowknow wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s amazing that this gets upvoted while it is completely uninformed about what liberal politicians actually run on. This is what the Kamala campaign ran on, it didn’t work. People love getting tangled on social issues as it’s the most provocative. This conception that most people actually care about rational policies is false and has been false for at least the past decade.

Your assumptions are wrong. Kamala lost because of inflation during the Biden admin and some related missteps. Also her gender and skin color likely worked against her. Also you're misreading my point, campaigning on these things isn't a panacea, but delivering on them just might be.

The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act.

No one cared. One of the better things a president has done for the country in quite a while, and no one cared, and no one remembers.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Post by PaulHoule »

eddythompson80 wrote: post #69
knowknow wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s amazing that this gets upvoted while it is completely uninformed about what liberal politicians actually run on. This is what the Kamala campaign ran on, it didn’t work. People love getting tangled on social issues as it’s the most provocative. This conception that most people actually care about rational policies is false and has been false for at least the past decade.

> This is what the Kamala campaign ran on, it didn’t work. It's what Obama ran on, and it worked for him. The fact that he achieved very little there is a different issue. Kamala's 2-month long campaign wasn't very convincing.

The odd trouble was that ordinary people saw the Harris campaign as being preoccupied with the issues of a lunatic fringe online plus what conservatives said Harris was preoccupied with.

Harris would have had to kick the lunatic fringe to the curb but didn’t have the will to do so.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Post by [deleted] »

knowknow wrote: post #47
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #4

Instead of getting tangled up in social issues, liberal politicians should be prioritizing housing, infrastructure and government services supporting people's economic activity of all kinds. Delivering better lives for people, and having the courage to stand up to vested interests, from house owners to corporations, would create a huge and lasting political win across a broad section of the electorate.

It’s amazing that this gets upvoted while it is completely uninformed about what liberal politicians actually run on. This is what the Kamala campaign ran on, it didn’t work. People love getting tangled on social issues as it’s the most provocative. This conception that most people actually care about rational policies is false and has been false for at least the past decade.

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Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Post by legitster »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #56
legitster wrote: post #46

I've grown a little bit more skeptical of what can realistically be achieved by the passive nature of YIMBY-ism. In Portland, they passed some radical new zoning laws a few years ago that allowed anyone, anywhere the ability to zone ADUs on their property. And the cost to get permits is almost nothing. I have lots of friends and family in the area with property. But not a single one has added an ADU. It seems like it…

> In Portland, they passed some radical new zoning laws a few years ago that allowed anyone, anywhere the ability to zone ADUs on their property. And the cost to get permits is almost nothing. Yeah, see, this mindset is exactly the problem. Letting anyone put a granny flat on their property if they have space for it is radical ? Come on, that's a moderate change at most. And yeah, that kind of thing is never going to…

> invest tens of millions of public dollars every year into new public housing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-room_occupancy

An SRO costs 25% as much to build as a studio apartment.

The real obvious solution is to take all of the money we are pumping into "long-term" affordable housing options into basically just dormitories. If it's good enough for college students, it should be good enough for anyone looking to get off the streets.

I think people really underrate how much of a knock-on affect there would be if we built enough SROs to meet demand. It would essentially establish a housing "floor" in any housing market, and undercut the ability to rent-seek up the rest of the housing market.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Post by adverbly »

legitster wrote: post #46

I've grown a little bit more skeptical of what can realistically be achieved by the passive nature of YIMBY-ism. In Portland, they passed some radical new zoning laws a few years ago that allowed anyone, anywhere the ability to zone ADUs on their property. And the cost to get permits is almost nothing. I have lots of friends and family in the area with property. But not a single one has added an ADU. It seems like it…

I actually think it's kind of a good sign that the policy was able to be passed without significant immediate disruptions.

I have some pretty radical views about the benefits of land value taxes, but I don't think it's a good idea to immediately change all taxes by a large amount because disruptions are very painful. If you can enact positive incentives slowly with gradual changes then you can avoid disruptions while moving towards a better future.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Post by hkt »

ceejayoz wrote: post #14
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the courage needed is not pandering to the left.

If only that was happening as much as the American right thinks it is.

One might think that Trump had just beaten Lenin rather than Biden, judging by the rhetoric

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Post by dboreham »

Avicebron wrote: post #21
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #4

Instead of getting tangled up in social issues, liberal politicians should be prioritizing housing, infrastructure and government services supporting people's economic activity of all kinds. Delivering better lives for people, and having the courage to stand up to vested interests, from house owners to corporations, would create a huge and lasting political win across a broad section of the electorate.

I'm pretty sure the political group that can guarantee a quality National Health Service in the US will win

No group can provide such guarantee (because systemic corruption).
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