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Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by doe88 »

rezmason wrote: post #62
graeme wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt you intended it, but your comment actually exemplifies why a lot of his articles likely get flagged and downranked. The comment is contentious, and also asserts that it is per se impossible for someone to disagree with the EU's stance on interoperability in good faith or that there may be legit downsides. Then you deliver an extended personal attack for some reason. And one that really doesn't seem supported…

Thanks for bringing my attention to the comment guidelines, I'll try to keep to them in the future. I assure you, I do write here in good faith. I'm open to listening to those who oppose the EU's position on Apple's ecosystem. I draw the line at people comparing Apple's circumstances with those portrayed in Harrison Bergeron. Apple, its developer community and its app ecosystem are unlike anyone in that story, and th…

On a small point, from what I understand, I think full credits must be given to JG on MD it seems to be his own idea and implementation, my recollection of what I heard him discuss about it on his podcast in the past, was that Aaron Swartz helped him with some ideas and notes.

Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by llm_nerd »

I visit daringfireball relatively regularly, and enjoy many of Gruber's takes. I know he's an Apple shill -- let's be honest and get that out of the way -- and his occasional softball criticizing some product or other doesn't change that, so I visit with a "let's see what the Apple guy thinks" angle.

But let's be real - it's a hot takes/opinions site. It's basically the junk food of content. The world is absolutely awash in "My opinion" kind of blog entries like DF and they generally do extremely poorly on here, for good reason. There will be nothing technically revelatory in anything written there. Nothing that will really change anything. It's an Apple guy with opinions about stuff. For instance that 3.5" was the "sweet spot" for smartphone screen sizes, coincidentally when Apple's smartphones only had 3.5" screen sizes.

Again, I still read it and sometimes enjoy it -- at least when he isn't on his bizarre Mark Gurman and/or Bloomberg "they are my nemesis" nonsense, which absolutely no one cares about but him.

Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by doe88 »

js2 wrote: post #50
jgruber wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How then do you explain DF being #3 from 2007-2021 and #72 from 2021-2025? It’s clearly not blacklisted, but clearly is shitlisted, no?

Have you tried emailing hn@ycombinator.com and asking? From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html How are stories ranked? The basic algorithm divides points by a power of the time since a story was submitted. Comments in threads are ranked the same way. Other factors affecting rank include user flags, anti-abuse software, software which demotes overheated discussions, account or site weighting, and moderator acti…

I wonder can a submitted post be flagged without displaying the leading tag? Because there is definitively something preventing Gruber's posts from reaching the first page although most of his posts are not overtly flagged.

But as you say he should ask @dang for more informations.

Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by znpy »

I really don't see what's the issue here. Some people don't like Apple.

Also:

> Initial reviews of the much-anticipated iPhone X appeared on October 31, but I’d only had the phone for 24 hours when the embargo dropped

Having Apple hardware before official launch (when review embargo is still on) tells me that the author will never publish bad press for apple, and is not to be trusted on reviewing Apple hardware.

Apple is know for stopping shipping pre-release hardware to people that are honest in their review and that might call out questionable choice.

The guy from unbox therapy said this pretty explicitly: when he started questioning apple's hardware design choices they stopped inviting them to their events and stopped sending them pre-release items.

You can see something similar in mkbhd's videos where he's pretty much constantly walking on thin ice. He says and doesn't say stuff. My gut feeling regarding him is that he can get away with some of that because of his large audience.

Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by gehsty »

rezmason wrote: post #53
graeme wrote: post #16

It's certainly possible there's a backend flag on the site. But from the comments I see on Reddit, I suspect there may be a simpler explanation: a lot of people for some reason really dislike John Gruber and view him as someone who slavishly praises Apple. I'm a big John Gruber fan, and I don't think this is true in the slightest. I think he thinks carefully, forms his own opinions, and is very willing to intensely c…

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He created markdown, does that not tick the programmer / technologist box? Few people will create anything quite as impactful.

Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by do_not_redeem »

I don't see how a blog post complaining about vote counts is any more interesting than a comment complaining about vote counts. But ok, I'll bite. The articles are not ranked well because they're not interesting or useful.

The one DF article I remember seeing recently is "Why Can’t We Screenshot Frames From DRM-Protected Video on Apple Devices?" and it seemed like just a fluffy post without any technical info and without any research, just an excuse to dog on other operating systems.

Why do some setups allow screenshots and some don't? His post starts with "I’m not entirely sure" and doesn't get better from there. You can google "what is widevine" and get better info. In reality, different browsers and different OS's are certified to different Widevine levels, depending on whether the content goes through a sufficiently protected hardware path. But in Gruber's world, "streaming services somehow don’t care about what Windows users do" (spoiler alert, they obviously do), and you can take screenshots on Windows because "Windows uses a less sophisticated imaging pipeline" (naturally, because it wasn't created by the sophisticated Steve Jobs!)

These posts are the tabloids of the tech world, and uninteresting unless you need a source to cite to win an argument about why your favorite computer company is morally superior to all the other computer companies.

Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by owebmaster »

jgruber wrote: post #44
throwaway_0501 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not being blacklisted or censored (see other comment with link to submissions). My suspicion: it's not relevant to the HN audience. DF is opinion pieces (mostly) about Apple. While I'm sure many DF readers use some Apple device(s), I suspect many (most?) DF readers do not care about "inside baseball"[0] for Apple. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_baseball_(metaphor)

How then do you explain DF being #3 from 2007-2021 and #72 from 2021-2025?

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Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by SanjayMehta »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #23
SanjayMehta wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the one, thanks. > You write on your site; I write on mine. That’s a response. I don’t use comments on Wilcox’s site to respond publicly to his pieces, but somehow it’s unfair that he can’t use comments on my site to respond to mine? What kind of sense is that even supposed to make?

In this case I agree with Gruber. Responding by blogging and citing is better for both websites.

Seems hypocritical to me. He admits wanting to see the comments here while not supporting them on his own site.
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