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If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

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Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

#101
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1. High-level, the post is all wrong. The point should be that you always need to make sure you can pull new cable . The poster illustrates this: single mode, multi mode, non-fiber, etc, etc. And if one "goes bad", you still can't run a new one, unless you have a pullstring. 2. The post cannot apply to fast/large networks - will be prohibitively expensive. 3. If running a few at home, I suggest to run MTP/MPO. It's b…

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Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

#102
post #56

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Dont forget Powerline adapters - if you have it all on one loop they are surprisingly effective if you have extra power sockets!

If you go that route MOCA over your cable tv coax works very well too!

I recently bought my first house, and there was only one coax outlet in the entire place, and zero ethernet. I wanted to move where the coax terminated, and after some searching around, found MOCA. Had never heard of it before, but a hundred bucks or so later, and it's a fantastic solution.

Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

#103

Yeah, we got a new house built 4 years ago and one of the biggest regrets is not enough ethernet outlets (running fibre in the house isn't practical yet) and power outlets in various places. It is really hard to think of all the places you would want them ahead of time unfortunately and as each has a cost you don't want to incur it unnecessarily. But my biggest regrets were: - Only a single ethernet port in the basem…

That's why pretty much every office space/building over here has cable trunking/channels on the walls instead of fixed wiring, eg: https://www.elba.si/izdelki/parapetni-kanali/ https://www.obo.si/izdelki/izdelkiinstalacije-v-zgradbah/bis... Need one more outlet? Remove the plastic cover, insert cable, insert outlet, cut the plastic cover to make space for outlet, and you're done.

That would be fine in the garage, but few people would want this anywhere else in their home.

There's a wood effect version, but I suspect it would make a home look like a 1980s office: https://homemaster.techinfus.com/en/kabel-kanaly-vidy-i-razm...

Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

#104

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It's interesting how long twisted-pair cabling has stuck around, to the point that it's associated as being the physical medium for Ethernet. Ethernet started with coaxial cables, but soon lost its association with those as twisted-pair was cheaper & easier to work with. And it's stayed that way for so long that a CAT-5 cable with RJ-45 (really RJ-38 but that's excessively pedantic) connectors is an "Ethernet cable",…

I've been in software for decades, and it was only right now that I realized that what I'm calling "ethernet cable" is maybe something else. Not that I understand the finer details of what you're saying.

You can find them all described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet

Specifically these:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10BASE5 (early 1980s)

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10BASE2 (mid 1980s, cheap installations like my high school in the early 1990s).

Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

#105
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Though if it is on or under the surface of the earth, “straight” will be a bend radius of around 6,370km. We don’t make a lot of buildings that deal with this but transcontinental or transoceanic cables certainly do. If someone designed a fiber that required absolutely no bend in order to work you’d have to use it in buildings or dig much deeper holes. There was an encoding mechanism proposed about 10-15 years ago th…

If you’re using the planet as your “flat surface” then sure. If, however, you’re willing to deal with exiting the atmosphere at each end, you can use Real Straightness. But I don’t know anyone running a single segment for that distance.

If you're going out of the atmosphere may as well skip the fiber and just point lasers through the vacuum of space directly and reap the benefits of the faster speed of light through a vacuum vs glass!

Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting how long twisted-pair cabling has stuck around, to the point that it's associated as being the physical medium for Ethernet. Ethernet started with coaxial cables, but soon lost its association with those as twisted-pair was cheaper & easier to work with. And it's stayed that way for so long that a CAT-5 cable with RJ-45 (really RJ-38 but that's excessively pedantic) connectors is an "Ethernet cable",…

I've been in software for decades, and it was only right now that I realized that what I'm calling "ethernet cable" is maybe something else. Not that I understand the finer details of what you're saying.

It is an Ethernet cable. It’s just not the only kind of Ethernet cable.

Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

#107
post #56

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> You can also get baseboards (that look nice in a home) then double as cable runs. Interesting. That would be great in the basement. I will look into it.

Dont forget Powerline adapters - if you have it all on one loop they are surprisingly effective if you have extra power sockets!

I think powerline adapters might work very well in the UK, where sockets on each floor are connected in a ring.

In my small apartment in Denmark, with new wiring, they are terrible. I get about 30-50Mb/s rather than the advertised 1200Mb/s. I assume the signal has to go back to the distribution board to get between my adapters.

Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

#109
post #10
post #4

Yup, always run extra everything. At least you can splice fiber now. And be careful of the minimum bend radius. Once, in the 90s, we were having intermittent network failures in our data center. I kept trying to troubleshoot it with the fluke, but the problem kept moving. When I pulled up the raised floor, I discovered that rats were eating the exterior sheath of the network cables. That was some fun troubleshooting!

_minimum_ bend?

Fibers can be bent to a radius of an inch or so, that's the tolerated minimum bend radius.

I guess you could call it "the maximum sharpness tangency" or something like that, but that's not the standard verbiage.

Re: If you get the chance, always run more extra network fiber cabling

#110
post #84

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If you’re using the planet as your “flat surface” then sure. If, however, you’re willing to deal with exiting the atmosphere at each end, you can use Real Straightness. But I don’t know anyone running a single segment for that distance.

I’m sure there are some microwave antennas still out there doing the Lord’s Work. At least in the Plains states where hills are low and putting antennas on two of them gives you some extra distance. How far do microwaves bend over the horizon?

> How far do microwaves bend over the horizon?

that depends on the weather and frequency among other things

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-of-sight_propagation

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