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I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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I wonder how long it will be before we need to start paying subscriptions to use our appliances or pay per use. Bosch is leaving money on the table by only allowing you to use DRMed detergent cartridges too.

Philip K Dick includes this as a side bit in Ubik - iirc there’s a great scene where the main character is broke and trying to get the front door to let him in to his apartment.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to take a stance like that, but the reality is I've already sunk about 6 hours total into the whole operation, and I have quite limited time for my home maintenance + improvement projects as it is (my bench currently has a new faucet set to fix the leaky bathroom faucet, as well as an exhaust fan to fix the broken one in our bathroom... and those are just the things that are currently broken , not the dozen…

Yup. It's time to replace the controlboard with an ESP32 or something! Did you keep your old dishwasher?

I'm having a local appliance recycler pick it up tomorrow — they aggregate these machines, repair various ones using parts from non-working units, and get them back into use again. I'd rather that than it sit in my house until I get time to hack it together again.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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It's the tech bro mentality and low interest rates that got us here. It's not enough for a company to just make something good on an open standard. No, they have to go with the enshitification/juicero model and blitzscale the whole market. Appliances should work with zigbee or similar but instead we get a dozen janky apps or 'works with Alexa'.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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My washer and dryer are miele, and the remote notifications are useful. I've used some of the remote start features to ensure the machines run when the solar is generating, but that's about it

Honestly I'd have been better with the speed queen and a relay wired into the starter switch.

As for the dishwasher, I rigged up my current one to send me end of cycle alerts by putting a current detector loop around it's power inlet, and alerting when it goes from high to low and stays that way for a period

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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One thing I've learned when buying a full set of appliances couple of years ago: don't read consumer reports or reviews by randos on the internet -- instead, go to industry literature, and read reports by/for service and warranty providers. They have actual hard data on the types and frequency of problems across brands and models. But back to the main theme of the article: hell to the no was my initial attitude, and…

Where do you find this data? The average person is going to use Google and because Google sucks they'll end up on some shill review site.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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I was in a similar situation with a clothes dryer dying where the repair required a board that was half the price of a new one. A key difference is that I had a professional appliance repair guy look at it and he determined it needed a new board. Rather than buy a new machine like Jeff did, I made the opposite decision and paid for the board. It has been a few years since that and I have been happy with the result. I…

The problem is the control board/electronics was not the only thing going south on that GE unit. The door hinges were giving way, the door gasket had started to get iffy (not quite leaking yet, but it needs a new one), the top rack doesn't go in and out easily anymore... All those parts aren't even made to be fixable anymore. At least if it's a pump or control board, those are relatively swappable. The rail system se…

We have had more luck with our appliances:

  * The clothes dryer only needed a new circuit board that cost half of a replacement.

  * The microwave only needed a new magnetron that cost the price of a new microwave oven. - Some would find this insane, but none of the new microwaves matched the kitchen decor and replacing everything to make it match the latest fad would have been truly insane.

  * The refrigerator’s gasket needed to be pushed back into its groove when it started to come loose.
The only appliance in recent years that I have replaced was a toaster. For some reason, it did not occur to me to try to save it.

As for your dish washing machine, we had problems with our first one and heard from a repair guy that you really need to rinse the dishes before putting them into it. Ever since doing that, we have had zero problems with our machine. Maybe that might aid your new one’s longevity.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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post #74

I was in a similar situation with a clothes dryer dying where the repair required a board that was half the price of a new one. A key difference is that I had a professional appliance repair guy look at it and he determined it needed a new board. Rather than buy a new machine like Jeff did, I made the opposite decision and paid for the board. It has been a few years since that and I have been happy with the result. I…

You were prepared to replace a functioning washing machine just to match a replacement clothes dryer?

My mother has been thrilled ever since I gave her a set of matching units. Repairing it to keep things that way was far cheaper than replacing both of them, or even one of them.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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I had this dishwasher in a rental property I was living in. The landlord fitted it a month or so after I moved in because the old dishwasher died. I was very skeptical of a WiFi connected dishwasher. Very quickly, I loved it. It’s actually REALLY useful to be able to get a ping on my Apple watch that the dishwasher has finished. Once upon a time I had a dishwasher where the door popped open when it was finished. That…

Almost any washer and dryer on the market now has an audible signal (some adjustable for pitch and volume) when the cycle is done, but if you need your phone or watch to be pinged then I guess that's a selling point for you.

It can be quite the convenience to have a alert which follows your current notification preference settings (e.g. if you're sleeping you don't want to hear the dryer just finished but maybe your SO who is awake does) and can be a quite ding or vibration rather than a buzzer loud enough to be heard across the entire house.

That said I'd much rather it be a simple local HomeKit integration instead of cloud only custom app BS.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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post #74

I was in a similar situation with a clothes dryer dying where the repair required a board that was half the price of a new one. A key difference is that I had a professional appliance repair guy look at it and he determined it needed a new board. Rather than buy a new machine like Jeff did, I made the opposite decision and paid for the board. It has been a few years since that and I have been happy with the result. I…

The problem is the control board/electronics was not the only thing going south on that GE unit. The door hinges were giving way, the door gasket had started to get iffy (not quite leaking yet, but it needs a new one), the top rack doesn't go in and out easily anymore... All those parts aren't even made to be fixable anymore. At least if it's a pump or control board, those are relatively swappable. The rail system se…

In most modern appliances, if the board is "broken", it's usually just one simple controller and a few resistors. Usually takes only a few minutes soldering.

But in your case it sounds like a replacement was long overdue anyway. Better be careful with appliances that use water.

I live in an apartment building with a shared laundry room (but everyone has their own washing machines) in the basement.

Last month a neighbor's old washing machine - with many pre-existing issues - broke down. The dampeners for the drum failed, and once it started spinning, it just "walked" away, ripping the tap out of the wall.

The water flooded the entire basement a foot deep, including the storage units and underground parking. Took a full day before you could set foot in it again, a whole month before everything was truly dry again, and I lost a lot of things (including lots of old tech).

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