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The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by gadders »

armchairhacker wrote: post #63
themaninthedark wrote: post #29

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The author's tone is...definitely not neutral and it make it hard to believe them when they put pure conjecture in: "Between the high demand and likely paying workers a subminimum wage" with footnote "...While this practice was completely legal (current federal law permits employers to pay disabled workers a fraction of minimum wage), it’s certainly questionable practice coming from a guy whose entire schtick revolve…

Although it sounds very bad, there’s actually a good argument for paying disabled workers below-minimum wage: - Disabled people get paid (what is supposed to be, but not actually, a living wage) by the government, so they aren’t living on the wage. - No company would hire them if they were forced to pay minimum wage, because companies are greedy and would always hire a more productive non-disabled worker. - Many disa…

Yes, there was debate about this in the UK. If a disabled person can only do one widget per hour, and an able-bodied can do 10, what is the correct wage for that disabled person?

If you think they should both be paid the same, who should pay the additional cost?

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Post by jt2190 »

smithkl42 wrote: post #7

I wish the author was a little less over-wrought in her descriptions of the Green family's religious commitments. I've heard complaints before about the Green's artifact acquisition process, and they've had to return some manuscripts: it's a story worth investigating and telling. But it distracts from the author's main point when she's making snide comments about their faith. Yes, they're Christians who are successfu…

> Have been told that I have to “drop the sarcastic tone” if I want to be “taken seriously” as a “““reporter””” but the jokes on them because that criticism implies that I’ve crossed the threshold into being a “journalist” rather than a “guy with a substack”

https://substack.com/@meghanboilard/note/c-102976235?

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by MrMcCall »

gadders wrote: post #96
MrMcCall wrote: post #83

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As per what they call themselves, but to be of Christ is to follow his teachings of love. This is what they are, as per Matthew 25:40-45: 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42…

Ordo Amoris https://firstthings.com/jd-vance-states-the-obvious-about-or...

This is the framework that encompasses all of God's commands, thus all proper behavior, for the benefit of one and all:

  Always love. Teach to always love.
  Never hate. Teach to never hate.
We believe that Christ lived for our virtues. He didn't come here to die, but to teach us how to live.

"The greatest among you shall be the servant of all." --Christ

JDV is learning one of the fool's saddest mistakes that power is no substitute for happiness. Maybe he'll get his head out of his arse and turn himself towards God and away from that orange devil, that Harkonnen beast, but his chances grow slimmer by the day, by the act.

That article (which I read in full, ty) almost comes close to the mark, but misses the point entirely. It's just more noise. Read my comment history for the pure signal, my friend.

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Post by WillPostForFood »

doug_durham wrote: post #41
smithkl42 wrote: post #7

I wish the author was a little less over-wrought in her descriptions of the Green family's religious commitments. I've heard complaints before about the Green's artifact acquisition process, and they've had to return some manuscripts: it's a story worth investigating and telling. But it distracts from the author's main point when she's making snide comments about their faith. Yes, they're Christians who are successfu…

It goes deeper than their "faith". These are the people who took away healthcare benefits from all Americans because they didn't personally want to fund birth control and women's health. It's reductive to say that the author looks negatively on the family because of their faith alone.

These are the people who took away healthcare benefits from all Americans because they didn't personally want to fund birth control and women's health.

This is not true though.. Most Americans have these benefits. Hobby Lobby just pushed for an extension of the existing Religious exemption to also apply closely held businesses. It affected a tiny portion of the population.

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by gadders »

duped wrote: post #21
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

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Completely agree. I think the author's tone in this article, in a nutshell, exemplifies what was a huge driving force of so many evangelical's in the US now being firmly in the MAGA camp, even though that seems paradoxical to many of us. For a long time now, many people who's religious values are deeply important to them have felt disrespected and looked down upon by "the left" (yes, I'm obviously painting with a bro…

Some beliefs deserve to be looked down upon and disrespected because they are backwards. I wouldn't call them "silly" because they're very serious. I don't believe in treating religious fundamentalists with compassion and empathy anymore. That's how we got the nutjobs in power, by not deriding them enough in public and private. There can be no tolerance of hate, and the people you are talking about are motivated by h…

Do you apply that rule equally to all religions, or just the ones that aren't likely to kill you/get you fired for expressing it?

//edit//And I say this as an atheist.

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by turtlesdown11 »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #104
doug_durham wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It goes deeper than their "faith". These are the people who took away healthcare benefits from all Americans because they didn't personally want to fund birth control and women's health. It's reductive to say that the author looks negatively on the family because of their faith alone.

These are the people who took away healthcare benefits from all Americans because they didn't personally want to fund birth control and women's health. This is not true though.. Most Americans have these benefits. Hobby Lobby just pushed for an extension of the existing Religious exemption to also apply closely held businesses. It affected a tiny portion of the population.

> It affected a tiny portion of the population.

> According to a 2009 research paper from NYU Stern School of Business, these corporations account for 52 percent of private employment and 51 percent of private-sector output in the country. Those percentages might be outdated now but still give a sense of just how many workers are employed at closely held corporations. Fifty-two percent of today’s private sector employees comes out to approximately 60.4 million people, based on the latest data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

https://slate.com/business/2014/06/hobby-lobby-supreme-court...

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Post by worsethanhitler »

MrMcCall wrote: post #103
gadders wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ordo Amoris https://firstthings.com/jd-vance-states-the-obvious-about-or...

This is the framework that encompasses all of God's commands, thus all proper behavior, for the benefit of one and all: Always love. Teach to always love. Never hate. Teach to never hate. We believe that Christ lived for our virtues. He didn't come here to die, but to teach us how to live. "The greatest among you shall be the servant of all." --Christ JDV is learning one of the fool's saddest mistakes that power is n…

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Post by MagnumOpus »

sigzero wrote: post #100
Arainach wrote: post #81

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There is no relevant contradiction. The entire New Testament is Jesus preaching love and forgiveness, Jesus practicing love and forgiveness - and not just to his followers - and explicit condemnation of wealth and instructing his followers to care for others. Anyone who takes that message and instead lobbies to destroy healthcare and welfare and to push hate and attack anyone who doesn't agree with them - and anyone…

Jesus does not condemn wealth. If that is what you are taking away from his interaction with the rich man, you would be wrong. Wealth itself is never condemned in the Bible (Old or New Testament). God often blessed his servants with wealth.

Jesus very explicitly condemns wealth, in a directly quoted passage that cannot be misunderstood. Jesus as quoted in Matthew 19:24 is very very blunt: "I'll say it again - it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of god!" I.e. wealthy people who don’t give it all away will go to hell.

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Post by g-b-r »

krapp wrote: post #87
g-b-r wrote: post #82

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Kind of weird that there's all this support for Evangelicals on an Hacker News discussion.

It's not at all weird. Christianity is the cool new thing in Silicon Valley, apparently[0]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43426885

Rotfl, ok, I understood what's going on xD

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by gadders »

MrMcCall wrote: post #103
gadders wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ordo Amoris https://firstthings.com/jd-vance-states-the-obvious-about-or...

This is the framework that encompasses all of God's commands, thus all proper behavior, for the benefit of one and all: Always love. Teach to always love. Never hate. Teach to never hate. We believe that Christ lived for our virtues. He didn't come here to die, but to teach us how to live. "The greatest among you shall be the servant of all." --Christ JDV is learning one of the fool's saddest mistakes that power is n…

Unless you are a monk and already living a life of poverty, and giving all your belongings to others, you are already failing by your own standards.
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