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SoftBank Group to Acquire Ampere Computing for 6.5B

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Re: SoftBank Group to Acquire Ampere Computing for 6.5B

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So Softbank now competes with Arm's customers and (unless I've missed something on new governance arrangements) also gets access to confidential information on Arm's customers' businesses (plans, volumes etc). Hmmm.

Isn't Arm now venturing into the product, rather than just specification, market and so this acquisition could help Arm?

Re: SoftBank Group to Acquire Ampere Computing for 6.5B

#102
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AMD has an entire line of ARM chips and there's an ARM in every x86 CPU they make. They've been making ARM chips for a long long time. https://www.amd.com/en/products/adaptive-socs-and-fpgas/soc.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Platform_Security_Processo...

I assume the question is why AMD is not making EPYC or Ryzen processors with Arm cores for the application processors. AMD continuing to have the Xilinx line of FPGAs with some Cortex cores and having Arm management cores that run firmware doesn’t really address this.

AMD said in 2021 that they were ready to build ARM chips[1], but honestly, I don't see the market for it. AMD could put an ARM frontend on Ryzen (and various interviews said they've prototyped it), but I don't think it would make a significant difference in compute/watt or whatever other metric, and there's not much in the way of ARM only software that people want to run. Maybe macOS, but you can still run that on amd64 afaik.

amd64 is still the default platform for desktop and server software. You can have arguments about the ISA, but for the most part that doesn't actually matter; amd64 is good enough, upstart cpu makers choose ARM not because it's better than amd64, but because it's at least good enough and licenses are available.

[1] https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-we-stand-ready-to-make...

Re: SoftBank Group to Acquire Ampere Computing for 6.5B

#104

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What about https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro/rack#

Bro, come on. Apple hasn't even tried to pretend they're in the server game for at least a decade now. You're paying for dozens of features you'll never use. They don't even have drivers for their own hardware outside of fucking windows , let alone documentation about how their machines are intended to work. I love my macs but apple will never be a cost or reliability solution to computation unless they do a complete…

I think they could be a decent provider for SOHO options... such as the space filled by Synology on the lower end. It's pretty competitive on cost, but Apple could really play it in concert with their wifi/airplay solutions etc. Like a home-base for SOHO.

Then again, the more I think on it, the worse an idea it is. Too locked-in and out for being able to run the likes of Jellyfin, etc. It could be a good option for a "Server" mac.. but would still make more sense for it to run Linux as a base.

Re: SoftBank Group to Acquire Ampere Computing for 6.5B

#105

Ampere is still the only people making a decent purchaseable ARM server. Not loving the idea of there being a bunch of new debt hovering over them now.

I use their servers in a couple of cloud environments. That little things are snappy, for what I have given them as tasks. Wish them best of luck to the future.

The same goes for most recent/powerful mini pc options. Been using an R9-5900X based one for a few years now, runs great as a home server.

Re: SoftBank Group to Acquire Ampere Computing for 6.5B

#106
post #28

TIL .softbank is a TLD now

Opening up TLDs beyond the originals and CCTLDs completely invalidated assumptions about what domains and domain names should mean. A massive disservice to everyone whose intuition was helping them avoid scams and squatting, but hey, at least a lot of money changed hands.

Yeah... I'm pretty burnt on them too... then again, I own about 20 I'm not actively using. Still not fun when you are just trying to come up with a domain name for an idea and everything is parked and/or they want thousands for the name.

Re: SoftBank Group to Acquire Ampere Computing for 6.5B

#107

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Given Oracle's tendency to use pillows on processor architectures and bury them at night, Softbank is possibly the better of two evils? Jokes aside, I don't believe Oracle would evolve the A1s beyond what they need, and stagnate them for years instead.

I think SB might've upped the bid a bit extra with Oracle as the other suitor. With Graviton and Ampere processors owned by hyperscalers it would've been a very unfortunate time for the ARM server market to become stagnant. Right now ARM is in a golden position to take server market pieces, higher compute densities with simpler i-set and good software support thanks to years of mobile and now Apple support (most lang…

Not sure on that... AMD's 128+ core servers are competitive to ARM on power per unit of work and exceed them on total compute. It's still very competitive.

Re: SoftBank Group to Acquire Ampere Computing for 6.5B

#108
post #102
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume the question is why AMD is not making EPYC or Ryzen processors with Arm cores for the application processors. AMD continuing to have the Xilinx line of FPGAs with some Cortex cores and having Arm management cores that run firmware doesn’t really address this.

AMD said in 2021 that they were ready to build ARM chips[1], but honestly, I don't see the market for it. AMD could put an ARM frontend on Ryzen (and various interviews said they've prototyped it), but I don't think it would make a significant difference in compute/watt or whatever other metric, and there's not much in the way of ARM only software that people want to run. Maybe macOS, but you can still run that on am…

Also worth noting that AMD is doing quite well on the server market with the c cores in terms of compute per watt over ARM options.

Re: SoftBank Group to Acquire Ampere Computing for 6.5B

#109

Ampere is still the only people making a decent purchaseable ARM server. Not loving the idea of there being a bunch of new debt hovering over them now.

What about https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro/rack#

24 cores isn't that much, and you end up with a huge hulking GPU just sitting there doing nothing, you can't run a well-supported server OS on it so it can't really be used as a server, and it's extremely expensive for what it is. I'm not really sure what makes you think it's worth bringing up.

Re: SoftBank Group to Acquire Ampere Computing for 6.5B

#110
post #56

Are we peak ARM yet? Jokes aside, with coming decline in x86, why is AMD so slow to introduce ARM products?

AMD has an entire line of ARM chips and there's an ARM in every x86 CPU they make. They've been making ARM chips for a long long time. https://www.amd.com/en/products/adaptive-socs-and-fpgas/soc.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Platform_Security_Processo...

I don't think ARM cores doing system management stuff that's not exposed to the user as a general purpose CPU really counts. But those SoCs count for sure, I didn't know they made those.
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