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Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by vessenes »

I guess I’ll take the contra here on messages integration — moving a message over BLE to untrusted hardware and worse accepting them back into iMessage is a massive, massive change in the security boundary and therefore security architecture and therefore security promises that apple makes on iMessage.

I do not believe average smartwatch users understand what they’d be doing if they got this. I do not believe vendors integrating with such a thing can do it safely, or even that all vendors integrating are good actors.

One reason iMessage is less of a total cesspit than SMS is that the ecosystem is closed, and makes automation difficult. It used to be impossible nearly, and in that era we had almost no iMessage spam. Now it’s difficult, and we have moderate iMessage spam. But adding hooks to make this automation easy, and worse, leave the trust environment as a feature is just wrong.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by bradleybuda »

echelon wrote: post #38
josefresco wrote: post #3

I have a very capable smartwatch and it's ridiculously bad how hobbled it is on iOS. I'm glad to see this article specifically highlight the issues, and how it's 100% Apple's intention to make non-Apple wearables on iOS terrible.

The ONLY answer is antitrust action from every major government. The trillion dollar companies are so massive that they are impinging upon every category of business that touches them. And they're so massive that their sinnew and tendrils touch everything under the sun. Mobile computing is de-facto owned by two companies. It's owned, tightly controlled like an authoritarian government, and heavily taxed. Compared wit…

If you don't like an iPhone, don't buy an iPhone. Don't legislate your consumer preferences on me.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by tadfisher »

vessenes wrote: post #101

I guess I’ll take the contra here on messages integration — moving a message over BLE to untrusted hardware and worse accepting them back into iMessage is a massive, massive change in the security boundary and therefore security architecture and therefore security promises that apple makes on iMessage. I do not believe average smartwatch users understand what they’d be doing if they got this. I do not believe vendors…

Opening up a BLE API for iMessages is not going to impact iMessage spam whatsoever. It will impact Apple Watch sales though.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by rickdeckard »

wlesieutre wrote: post #87
rickdeckard wrote: post #73

> "Apple’s “Watch Policy” annoys me, but not enough to switch to Android. I hope Apple will be forced to improve their compatibility with other watches." The conundrum of "[xyz] annoys me, but not enough to [do anything about it], yet I hope [Company] will be forced to improve [xyz]" So where is that 'force' expected to come from...?

If there are effectively two choices and both of them do things you don’t like, “it’s your fault for not switching to the other one” isn’t a very useful argument

The question is more, where is that 'force' expected to come from which should make them change their way? Just hopes and prayers?

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by jisnsm »

lozenge wrote: post #98
jisnsm wrote: post #8

If iOS only allows you to build a worse experience, then Apple customers will leave the platform for Android. The problem solves itself.

How long is the problem going to take to solve itself?

From my argument it follows that Apple customers don’t care about this.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by celsoazevedo »

snapcaster wrote: post #75
beeflet wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what's so bad about android

Operating system made by advertising company is why it's a deal breaker for me

Don't search for "apple ad business" or you'll be very disappointed. :)

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by closetohome »

I can't help but feel echoes of the 2015-era Pebble trying to compete with the Apple Watch, and the lessons learned from that. I have an Apple Watch, I've been wearing one for ten years at this point. All I use it for is notifications, time, weather, and music control. I'm more than happy to buy a tinker-friendly smartwatch that does just that, and I don't think I'm alone. I hope these guys don't kill themselves trying to feature-match, and just lean into the inherent advantages of their platform.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by Nextgrid »

vessenes wrote: post #101

I guess I’ll take the contra here on messages integration — moving a message over BLE to untrusted hardware and worse accepting them back into iMessage is a massive, massive change in the security boundary and therefore security architecture and therefore security promises that apple makes on iMessage. I do not believe average smartwatch users understand what they’d be doing if they got this. I do not believe vendors…

> moving a message over BLE to untrusted hardware and worse accepting them back into iMessage is a massive, massive change in the security boundary

Anyone can already screenshot iMessages and move them out of the "security boundary"... which btw doesn't exist much, as if you have any Mac connected to your iCloud account then those messages are being synced to an SQLite DB any process running under your user can access.

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