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Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by nebulous1 »

apparent wrote: post #48

I'm pleased the pricing is so low. I did some math and if they're making 10k of these (not clear if that's each or all together), there's not a ton of money to be made. Assuming $100 average profit, that's a $2M for 20k watches. Given the work opportunities that the founder and other employees have, that's not a lot of money for them to make in a year, and it comes with significant risk. Basically seems like this is…

$100 profit on a $150 watch would be crazy. Rest of the post seems made up too. I don't know where these numbers are coming from. I'm genuinely confused.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by diggan »

apparent wrote: post #48

I'm pleased the pricing is so low. I did some math and if they're making 10k of these (not clear if that's each or all together), there's not a ton of money to be made. Assuming $100 average profit, that's a $2M for 20k watches. Given the work opportunities that the founder and other employees have, that's not a lot of money for them to make in a year, and it comes with significant risk. Basically seems like this is…

> Assuming $100 average profit, that's a $2M for 20k watches. Given the work opportunities that the founder and other employees have, that's not a lot of money for them to make in a year, and it comes with significant risk. Basically

Reading through the terms on the shop page, it seems they're preparing to (maybe) raise the prices at any time, and they'll ask you to pay more before shipping, if they end up raising the prices after you buy it.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by bentcorner »

isjustintime wrote: post #34
varbhat wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was interested in NFC payments using a smartwatch. Do these watches support NFC payment? I didn't see any mention of it.

Personally I never found myself using my NFC payment watch. It felt like if I was venturing far enough to the store, I'm just going to bring my phone with me anyways. I wonder if this differs for areas that don't get as much suburban sprawl.

I use NFC payments on my watch all the time, even though I have my phone and card in my pocket. Tapping my watch is just easier than digging into my pockets and/or opening my wallet app on my phone.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by [deleted] »

macNchz wrote: post #80
margalabargala wrote: post #44

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Everything appears to point that way, yes. This thread is full of people complaining how these aren't like their preferred watches, in terms of design, face shape, no GPS, etc. I think this is a much more valid criticism in that their expensive flagship watch is not like their cheaper watch.

It's kind of weird segmentation, but, given neither has GPS, I wonder how many people who'd seriously consider buying one of these really care about having a compass & barometer. Are those often important features to someone who doesn't care about GPS?

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Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by apparent »

nebulous1 wrote: post #101
apparent wrote: post #48

I'm pleased the pricing is so low. I did some math and if they're making 10k of these (not clear if that's each or all together), there's not a ton of money to be made. Assuming $100 average profit, that's a $2M for 20k watches. Given the work opportunities that the founder and other employees have, that's not a lot of money for them to make in a year, and it comes with significant risk. Basically seems like this is…

$100 profit on a $150 watch would be crazy. Rest of the post seems made up too. I don't know where these numbers are coming from. I'm genuinely confused.

I was using a blended average of the $150 and $225 watches. Also, it sounds like some of the components for the $150 watch were literally left over from Pebble days, which means they could have gotten an amazing deal on them.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by dreamcompiler »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #61
dreamcompiler wrote: post #55

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You cannot put oximetry in a watch without getting sued by Masimo. Just ask Apple.

The heart rate sensor patents were ruled unpatentable: https://www.tomsguide.com/wellness/smartwatches/apple-watch-... > This week, the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit upheld the previous verdict of the Patent Trial and Appeal Board that concluded all three of AliveCor’s patents were unpatentable. This is generally the outcome when courts conclude that patents are either obvious or too generic to enforce.…

That story is about heart rate sensors. The Masimo case is about oximetry, and AFAIK Apple is still blocked from selling watches with this feature.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by ratmice »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #61
dreamcompiler wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot put oximetry in a watch without getting sued by Masimo. Just ask Apple.

The heart rate sensor patents were ruled unpatentable: https://www.tomsguide.com/wellness/smartwatches/apple-watch-... > This week, the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit upheld the previous verdict of the Patent Trial and Appeal Board that concluded all three of AliveCor’s patents were unpatentable. This is generally the outcome when courts conclude that patents are either obvious or too generic to enforce.…

I think the article is referencing two different cases, and the ones invalidated don't seem related to oximetry, I'm not sure what happened with the oximetry one though.
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