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Dataminr tracked Gaza-related protests
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#102Twitter started as TXT2MOB for organizing protests, and now it and social media have become surveillance tools. The irony.
> Twitter started as TXT2MOB for organizing protests, and now it and social media have become surveillance tools
Propaganda, communication and surveillance vary only inasmuch as the sender and/or receiver are coöperating. When done in public, communication necessarily empowers the other two.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
How many gaza protests have there been in the US alone in the past two years and how many of them had any violence at all? I wouldn't call it a "high probability."
MANY Gaza protests in Germany escalated into violence, especially against the press - the local RSF section posted about this a few months ago [1], and in numbers more journalists are attacked at Palestine rallies than at far-right rallies [2], and that one is a legitimate challenge to achieve given how many attacks against journalists came from that wing. No matter one's stance on I/P, the pro Gaza crowd is absurdly…
I specifically constrained it to the US because I'm aware that the dynamics and tactics of these movements are highly regional and I simply don't know what it's like elsewhere.
Sometimes I get annoyed how US-centric the conversations can be on here but given the subject is american police using a US-made surveillance tool against protestors in the united states I think it makes some amount of sense this time.
Thanks for the info about another area though, it is interesting to me.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
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do you have citations for any of this ("most protestors", "calling for destruction", "extermination", "misinformation", etc)? you may also be surprised to find that much of the world doesn't consider the opinions of the USG to be reliable, including the claim that Israel is not committing genocide - other organizations such as the UN and human rights groups like Amnesty and HRW disagree.
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#106Unless there is a massive rethink of a lot of laws we are running into a surveillance state worse than Orwell could have come up with. "No expectation of privacy in a public space" made sense when there were no databases that could record and analyze everything that's going on and people didn't live half of their lives on the internet. And tech is only going to accelerate the ease of total surveillance. I think Jeffe…
> Jefferson proposed to let the constitution expire every 19 years. I think he had a point there
You want every state to come up with its own way of determining how to send delegates to a convention literally unbound by any law?
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
>You could always make sure it could only increase and not decrease privacy or what have you. How could one "make sure" of this, and with what authority? >Similarly, the "expire every 19 years" must always be included and must never be removed. Again, says who? The constitution has expired, and with it any legal basis for such a requirement.
I don't agree with the idea (and technically by Jefferson's logic it should now be a much longer period, which shows it would need to be more flexible), but whatever process approves the new Constitution (probably involving a Supreme Court-type entity) would have to require these changes. Future Constitutions would both have "this document expires in 19 years" and "the successor of this document must include this cla…
> future Constitutions would both have "this document expires in 19 years" and "the successor of this document must include this clause, and the clause 'this document expires in 19 years'", and another for privacy (which would be up to whatever court allows the new Constitution)
You haven't abolished the Constitution, then, you've just forcing a recurring, streamlined amendment process. Given the song and dance SCOTUS nominations have turned into, I'm sceptical it would work out how you think it would.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
How? What expectation of privacy do you have walking down the street, or in your public social media posts?
mostly scale: accumulation of data over time and use of that data (a single brief observation of an anonymous person vs identification and observation of a person over time, with real-time activities reported to law enforcement). same way that it's unacceptable/illegal for a police officer - without probable cause or a warrant - to follow you down the street to your home, then wait outside your home and follow you 24…
> mostly scale: accumulation of data over time and use of that data
I'm a long-time, hardcore civil libertarian so I share your concerns about potential law enforcement abuse. However, in the instance being cited here, I'm not seeing a clear violation of 4th amendment rights. Posting on openly shared social media is not only public speech, these days it's advertising and promotion. I assume you wouldn't have a problem with law enforcement subscribing to a press release monitoring service that would notify them if someone is sends out media press releases promoting their protest in that agency's jurisdiction. Arguably, not having any situational awareness of open-to-the-public mass gatherings planned in their area might be something they'd even be blamed for if overcrowding turned into a public safety situation at a book signing or something and they were oblivious.
So, while I want to restrict police overreach as much as possible, the challenge is in how we might craft guidelines of what's allowable vs not allowable which are clear and consistent.
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#110Here's an interesting thought about how preferential surveillance can lead to repression even when it's public and not itself acted on: 1. Every demographic commits petty crimes and code violations at about the same rate (things like parking violations and music piracy). 2. However, people who are being watched will be caught more often. 3. The end result is that people in the "wrong" crowd on average are punished mo…
> Every demographic commits petty crimes and code violations at about the same rate Do you have data backing this claim? For example, homicides (that are not a subject for reporting bias) don’t follow a uniform distribution, so I would expect other crimes to also be non-uniform.
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