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Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by perching_aix »

CaffeineLD50 wrote: post #67
mdhb wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What on earth is wrong with you?

I would prefer protesters not be killed by oppressive governments. I guess you prefer tanks and guns. Feel free to make an argument.

An argument with which they could win a scenario conveniently tailored by you, that you have arbitrary control over, and can twist until their argument is rendered senseless again?

> I would prefer protesters not be killed by oppressive governments. I guess you prefer tanks and guns.

On a tangential note, may I ask your stance on the Russian invasion of Ukraine? I'd guess you're also a great proponent of the "peace" the Trump administration is drafting?

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by photodeveloper »

tptacek wrote: post #19

LRADs have been used against protesters in Australia, New Zealand, the United States, France, and Germany.

I assume it was used to disperse riots, in Serbia it was used as people were standing peacefully, observing 15 minutes of silence.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by treyd »

d1sxeyes wrote: post #79
darepublic wrote: post #38

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Can you have a device which upon detecting the frequency emits some kind of counter vibration that cancels out th attack?

This is how active noise cancellation works in headphones. You stick little microphones on the outside of the headphones, then play back what’s picked up through the headphones themselves but with a very slight delay so all the peaks and troughs match up. The problem is that you need to put out sounds at least as loud, and that’s a pretty bad thing to get even slightly wrong if the energy levels are that high.

You do it with the waves inverted otherwise the delay would have to be dynamic and frequency dependent.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by NewJazz »

laweijfmvo wrote: post #87
pclmulqdq wrote: post #56

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Police also regularly use tear gas against US citizens. These are weapons that would violate the Geneva convention, but we're okay with them to disperse a crowd.

are they against the Geneva convention because of the direct effects, or because in a war you’d then proceed to kill everyone while they’re coughing?

AIUI they are mainly banned because they could lead to escalations in chemical weapons usage. If your enemy uses tear gas vs cs gas, it could be hard to tell right away and you might feel pressure to use all the tools you have available (including lethal chemical weapons) vs. Play by the rules.

Of course if you are fighting a real war, there is probably going to be chem weapons used. It happened in Syria. It is happening in Ukraine. It will keep happening. Geneva convention is wishful thinking.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by propagandist »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #73
tonyhart7 wrote: post #31

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the only acceptable condition to use it maybe if there are riot or violence breakout in that area not for peaceful protest

If you were at a protest that was starting to get a bit rowdy and somebody used one of these on you, what would you do? I'd either come back prepared for actual violence, or switch from protest to sabotage. It just screams "escalation" to me.

And that is possibly the aim. When the protests turn into violence or sabotage, the state uses that to justify its own violent repression.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by NewJazz »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #73
tonyhart7 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the only acceptable condition to use it maybe if there are riot or violence breakout in that area not for peaceful protest

If you were at a protest that was starting to get a bit rowdy and somebody used one of these on you, what would you do? I'd either come back prepared for actual violence, or switch from protest to sabotage. It just screams "escalation" to me.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_riot

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by Philorandroid »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #73
tonyhart7 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the only acceptable condition to use it maybe if there are riot or violence breakout in that area not for peaceful protest

If you were at a protest that was starting to get a bit rowdy and somebody used one of these on you, what would you do? I'd either come back prepared for actual violence, or switch from protest to sabotage. It just screams "escalation" to me.

Are chemical irritants preferable, then? Or just LEOs in riot gear with rubber batons? There's no amount of pushback or repercussion that a rioter will feel is fair or humane, and the mindset of "I'll turn violent and/or destructive if my participation in civil unrest is punished" is a perfect justification for these systems to exist.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by ta1243 »

timewizard wrote: post #95
Aeolun wrote: post #54

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Something like protecting the capitol from being stormed by a mob?

I might have tried just closing and locking the doors first.

Yes because Trump's lot are too stupid to break down windows and doors

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/06/jim-himes...

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by ta1243 »

impossiblefork wrote: post #36
hettygreen wrote: post #8

Is there any counter measure for this? Hardcore hearing protection? Noise cancelling headphones? Handheld sound insulation "shield"?

Once there's violence targeting you, the solution is to bring real weapons and resolve it using ordinary military tactics, that is, you kill the operator.

Operator is typically thousands of kilometres away
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