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An anonymous source from a whistleblower: practical and understandable. Anonymous sources from gov officials that just tows an established useful line that benefits them: way, way too common. I'm a daily reader of NYT and I can't count the number of times I see them use it each year. It's become standard practice enough to not be just some edge case to protect people. It's like how the government classifies everythin…

I think it's " toe the line", like lining up side by side with everyone else on your team.

>I think it's "toe the line", like lining up side by side with everyone else on your team.

right, but not quite: toe the line means for example standing on an athletic field right at the out-of-bounds line without letting your toes onto the wrong side of it; said about any rule-based situation, to purposely stay within the rules, indicating an individuals obedience with no implication of "testing" the rules.

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> deepened our understanding of reaching audiences that might otherwise be blocked from accessing our journalism > Users who wish to continue reading Times journalism where their access to the main website may be blocked can do so through WhatsApp or Telegram. https://archive.is/ is still the de-facto way to read NYT articles...

Is there an Onion archive.today?

I would at the very least be hesitant to provide such a service, and I’ve gotta imagine that I’m far from alone :)

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Journalists speak truth to power, meanwhile the NYT aligns itself with power at every opportunity. For example, they knew the NSA was spying on us but never ran the story to protect GW's chances at reelection. Presumably they didn't want to be seen as anti-establishment with the new powers and are reverting to their time-proven behavior. NYT will lick the boot when presented, same as ever.

https://www.carlbernstein.com/the-cia-and-the-media-rolling-... “The Agency’s relationship with the Times was by far its most valuable among newspapers, according to CIA officials. From 1950 to 1966, about ten CIA employees were provided Times cover under arrangements approved by the newspaper’s late publisher, Arthur Hays Sulzberger. The cover arrangements were part of a general Times policy—set by Sulzberger—to pro…

>From 1950 to 1966

going back in time like that says nothing about the NY Times of today. In that same time period, the Democrats were the party defending racial segregation, it was your great+ grandparents

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Journalists speak truth to power, meanwhile the NYT aligns itself with power at every opportunity. For example, they knew the NSA was spying on us but never ran the story to protect GW's chances at reelection. Presumably they didn't want to be seen as anti-establishment with the new powers and are reverting to their time-proven behavior. NYT will lick the boot when presented, same as ever.

Disclaimer I worked at NYT but this is just unsubstantiated garbage. Say what you will about the company and journalism as a whole but you’d be hard pressed to find a better group of truth-seekers out there. waves hands at every other “news” outlet

The Times is especially pernicious because of the hallowed reputation it has. It lets it spin the narrative at crucial moments. Look back at Judith Miller and the Iraq war. Or in the recent case of the Gaza conflict - their false reporting on mass rapes in the debunked "Screams Without Words" article helped give Israel political cover during a critical juncture of the carpet bombing of the Palestinians.

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You don't need employees anymore just anonymous sources from "government insiders" by journalists who gain social/work credit from being friends with intelligence officials. The quid pro quo is implied and unquestioned because it sells papers. NYT/WSJ/WaPo are the main vectors for that stuff (big journalist outfits get big juicy sources) and they do it proudly.

I'm not saying I disagree, but please see how dangerous your thinking can be. That basically takes away a major tool of journalists and allows you to paint whoever you disagree with as wrong simply because they don't wish to go public. Very, very dangerous way of thinking. Allowing sourcesto stay anonymous is a major tool for journalists.

There's a difference between a source needing to be anonymous for their safety (physical, employment, etc) and someone in an administration or agency refusing to go on-record about policies and actions of an agency or administration because there's be a record, publicly, of what they said - and both they and the organization they're in could be held to that.

Or that administration/agency using "anonymous source" nonsense to gatekeep - wanting to reward particular reporters/outlets that 'play by the rules'.

You'll see a reporter ask something at a press conference, and there will be a refusal or non-answer. But then the press secretary pulls aside a few reporters after the press conference and gives them details.

Unfortunately because the press are willing to do this, more and more information simply does not come out through official channels, which means politicians, agencies, administrations, etc have accountability - their reputation simply isn't on the line.

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I found this story pretty enlightening https://css.seas.upenn.edu/new-york-times-a-case-study-in-in... It's certainly not that they come up with outright lies. They have a ton of good people who work there. But there's something rotten higher up in the way they put their finger on the scales.

That article makes awful conclusions. Biden’s age was a bigger factor because it was absolutely clear he was in rapid cognitive decline. No doubt it’s also happened to Trump at his age (as it does to everyone), but Biden essentially hid from any unscripted press the entirety of his Presidency. Trump does the opposite. We can all judge his actual cognitive faculties because he’s constantly tweeting or in front of came…

Biden has severe spinal arthritis and neuropathy in his feet. The guy walks around in pretty severe pain and suffers from a stutter.

The story of the cognitive decline was pushed aggressively by the Trump people because it’s good TV. Just like they neutralized Desantis with the weirdo campaign.

It’s pretty obvious that Trump is a turnip. I’ve heard him speak in person… the sound bites sound cogent on TV, but the dude is like a drunk monkey he can’t string sentences together. The reactionary policy isn’t out of Trump’s head, its from a little army of fascist attorneys.

Both are odious Presidents… it’s ridiculous that a country as large and powerful as the United States is led by 80 year olds.

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You know they tear off all pages of negative CPC reports, right?

No, I don’t know that because it is not the case. I have sat in that library and read the NYT with a big, loud, front page headline critical of China and the CCP. I have never seen pages missing.

What does the June 3rd issue look like?

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… or just walk right into the central Shanghai library and read the paper copy. This is possible and I have done it many times.

You know they tear off all pages of negative CPC reports, right?

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Disclaimer I worked at NYT but this is just unsubstantiated garbage. Say what you will about the company and journalism as a whole but you’d be hard pressed to find a better group of truth-seekers out there. waves hands at every other “news” outlet

The Times is especially pernicious because of the hallowed reputation it has. It lets it spin the narrative at crucial moments. Look back at Judith Miller and the Iraq war. Or in the recent case of the Gaza conflict - their false reporting on mass rapes in the debunked "Screams Without Words" article helped give Israel political cover during a critical juncture of the carpet bombing of the Palestinians.

Their coverage of Gaza and Israel has been the deepest hit to their reputation.

The ratio of “college hate speech” to coverage of Israel’s targeted and mass war crimes has been unbelievable. I’d be deeply ashamed if I worked there.

(Putting aside that this apartheid has been going on for far longer, of course, without consistent coverage.)

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