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Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Post by s_dev »

belter wrote: post #97
aurelien wrote: post #95

Corruption at European parliament should be highly and serverly punished by Enforced Works for the rest of their life with abduction of all there good of all their family that have get ane Euro from corruption.

Surely you joke about avoiding corruption within the EU. Ursula von der Leyen negotiated privately with CEO's of vaccine companies, while her husband worked for a US supplier of said vaccine companies and her SMS data disappeared. The current European Council president, took such a job directly after being forced to resign as Portuguese prime minister due a corruption scandal, where the Portuguese police found thousa…

He is just saying that if there is corruption there should be harsh consequences not that corruption isn't present already in the EU.

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Post by rsynnott »

blitzar wrote: post #76
rsynnott wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... I mean, if this were the case, Huawei would have a monopoly, and no reason to bribe anybody. Like, put a _bit_ of thought into this stuff; your claim cannot possibly be correct. For what it's worth, the UK, having banned Huawei stuff, is currently ripping out their Huawei 5G gear and replacing it with largely equipment from Ericsson.

Huawei did have a monopoly. They were bribing officials to try to get them to not ban them in the great Huawei wars of the late 2010's / early 2020's - which led to the UK banning Huawei at the behest of the US for political reasons.

Huawei clearly doesn't and didn't have a monopoly; in 2022 before the bans really got going it had about a 30% market share, vs Ericsson 25% and Nokia 20%.

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Post by sunshine-o »

2thumbsup wrote: post #35
sunshine-o wrote: post #30

I believe people fundamentally misunderstand what the EU is and how it works. Here is what I have learned from people who know the system very well and after working with it myself: - The EU is designed to be influenced and run by lobbies. And it is in the open and assumed. - The Parliament is a joke. And you can partially blame the member countries who really do not send their best there, because they know it is jok…

This does not make sense to me. I question how much you have worked for the EU. 1. EU is the most aggressive when it comes to legislation far exceeding the US in terms of privacy law, competition law and setting strict minimums for labor conditions etc. 2. Being a candidate to run for Member of European Parliament is considered to be available only to the Member of National Parliaments with the most personal votes an…

> 1. EU is the most aggressive when it comes to legislation far exceeding the US in terms of privacy law, competition law and setting strict minimums for labor conditions etc.

The problem is in practice those big law and regulations end up benefiting the biggest actors with "Star Destroyers" type legal departments and lobbying.

I have witnessed it, 10 years ago GDPR pushed most European companies in one of the hyperscaler cloud. Exactly the opposite of what we were naively expecting. The EU Cyber resilience act is finishing up the job.

Funny how now just because Trump was elected, some European are waking up wondering why they are in this mess and welcome more EU regulation to get them out of there...

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Post by somenameforme »

linkregister wrote: post #90
legacynl wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know the bots are out in full force, when the first comment on a China-critical post is what-about-posts about how bad EU is. You can see how threatened they must feel by the amount of trolling they do

I tire of this internet trend of calling someone who disagrees with you a bot. I also agree with you that whataboutism posters come out in droves whenever there is negative-sentiment news about a non-Western aligned entity.

In general I'd agree that whataboutism is a logical fallacy, since it is basically a form of ad hominem, but it can also demonstrate that an attack itself is unjustified. For instance imagine if a farm was attacked for having laborers pick fruit for pennies per pound.

If one doesn't know much about the industry that would indeed sound potentially abusive - especially with sufficiently leading framing, yet it's also the global standard. That doesn't mean it's right, but it also means that allegations against one specific entity for such are, at the minimum, misleading.

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Post by dmos62 »

dachworker wrote: post #39
benterix wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Authorities suspect that Huawei lobbyists have paid bribes to MEPs in return for backing their cause in the European Union. > Isn’t that the cost of doing business in the EU? No, it's not. If you represent a business there is an official way to express your stance and lobby for your cause but bribing MEPs is a criminal offence (both for the perpetrator and those who receive personal benefits).

Please do tell how lobbying without bribery is supposed to operate.

Without judgment: I've started noticing how a different culture cannot imagine some phenomenon (e.g. some problem) not occuring in another culture. It's leading me to question what things I consider as universal constant that aren't.

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Post by belter »

s_dev wrote: post #101
belter wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely you joke about avoiding corruption within the EU. Ursula von der Leyen negotiated privately with CEO's of vaccine companies, while her husband worked for a US supplier of said vaccine companies and her SMS data disappeared. The current European Council president, took such a job directly after being forced to resign as Portuguese prime minister due a corruption scandal, where the Portuguese police found thousa…

He is just saying that if there is corruption there should be harsh consequences not that corruption isn't present already in the EU.

Yes. But it's a lost cause. It's structural, since EU jobs are compensation roles for failed politicians. If you ever been into inside politics as more than just an elector, you will know this is how lists pre-election are built.

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Post by codedokode »

speed_spread wrote: post #70
jampekka wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm more comfortable with Chinese than US masters.

Are you sure? Publically criticize the American government, then do the same with the Chinese government. Now, did your opinion change? Although I agree that with latest guys it won't be long before they also get a thought police.

> Publically criticize the American government

And get a tariff raise in response?

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

skrebbel wrote: post #93

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Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Post by Nextgrid »

DrNosferatu wrote: post #10

What about Huawei home internet (fiber) modems / routers? Many large telcos in the EU use them.

At this price point, they are all bad, no matter the manufacturer. Home networking equipment is basically a race to the bottom (if there's any innovation, it happens at the hardware level only like faster Wi-Fi cards, etc).
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