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Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by akomtu »

neil_s_anderson wrote: post #18

I find it odd how many people automatically assume that whatever the NSA is up to must be undesirable and therefore should be opposed. I mean, where do you think analysis of plans by terrorists and nation state adversaries to attack our nation and its allies comes from? The raw intelligence data these are based on can only be gathered by surveillance of communications, both targeted and in bulk. You should all be sup…

The thing is, it no longer matters whether we support it. Nobody's asked for our permission and we have no power to stop it.

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by cynicalpeace »

Tom Drake, John Kiriakou, Ed Snowden, Mark Klein.

These are people that have shown that parts of the intelligence community are guilty of crimes against humanity and the American people.

Yet every time more evidence comes out, people are so quick to dismiss it as "wacko conspiracy theories".

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by choult »

trescenzi wrote: post #57

I’m watching Person of Interest for the first time. It’s interesting watching it today now that the premise, minus 100% accurate crime prediction, is largely a forgone conclusion. It was produced after Klein but before Snowden and does a good job exploring the expansion of surveillance and just how motivated the government is to have a system that tracks everyone. Of course it’s fiction but it’s a fun watch that asks…

Oh dear... You should hear some of the stories about Jim Caviezel[0]...

On second thought, maybe make up your own mind before you dip into that.

[0] https://open.spotify.com/episode/1euFlDCuryFSzMw6BjQCWA

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by throwaway201606 »

lukan wrote: post #20
nabakin wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I've ever seen the inside of an actual undercover van before. Crazy picture. Do we know anything else about them?

I would not jump to conclusions so soon. A) I would question why they would do the effort of still doing surveillance on him B) if they do, they are usually so smart to keep the door closed C) like others have mentioned, sewer cleaning comes with a lot of tech (I assume remote controlled machines)

I would think that anyone working in a sewer inspection van would keep the door open because it is highly likely that sewer inspection vans smell like, well, sewer.

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by orthecreedence »

booleandilemma wrote: post #58
psunavy03 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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What do you think would have happened to Snowden had he stayed on American soil?

He would have had a fair trial which would ultimately result in the dismantling of the entire US surveillance apparatus and would usher in the birth of the internet the forefathers intended.

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by [deleted] »

kstrauser wrote: post #19
spaceribs wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to believe it was an inspection van: https://nationalplant.com/services/digital-tv-inspection/ I'd like to believe that, but I don't.

That very well could be what it was. If it had been anything other than: 1. Spotless. 2. Parked right behind Klein's (and by extension, my) house. 3. Skittish, such that they closed the door right after I took the picture and drove off less than a minute later without pulling any gear up out of a manhole or something. then that's probably what I'd chalk it up to. I am absolutely not 100% convinced it was, say, an und…

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Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by lukan »

Boogie_Man wrote: post #49
kstrauser wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That very well could be what it was. If it had been anything other than: 1. Spotless. 2. Parked right behind Klein's (and by extension, my) house. 3. Skittish, such that they closed the door right after I took the picture and drove off less than a minute later without pulling any gear up out of a manhole or something. then that's probably what I'd chalk it up to. I am absolutely not 100% convinced it was, say, an und…

Somebody give the number on the van a call and post results

If it would be a spy van, it would be a real number (likely for the real company). Otherwise way too easy to spot.

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by samstave »

dang wrote: post #11

Related. There were probably other relevant threads over the years—can anyone find some? Room 641A - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41507188 - Sept 2024 (5 comments) The secrets of Room 641A (2008) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38305501 - Nov 2023 (4 comments) Room 641A - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32984515 - Sept 2022 (2 comments) Room 641A - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23350120 - M…

I knew I would be in that 2013 thread...

I mistook the building, but I do remember details that Twitter had a direct fiber connection to that room...

Also, we have a LOT of evidence of prior NSA backdoors and interceptions...

in 1998 I had to hire a CSIE (cisco expert) (like a 3 digit uuid) to help me recover a router password from infra I inherited... and during the password reset procedure on a 3640 - he was telling me how "the NSA requires Cisco to put in back doors into all the routers)

((The passwd BTW was Feet4Monkey))

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Then recall Carnivore? (and its predecessor eschelon - and a whole bunch of reveals) -- what was interesting was that the only company to refuse to install Carnivor was Earthlink.net (ISP) -- and the reason they stated they wouldnt put in Carnivore, was because they stated they already had their user tracking system (They were owned by the Mormon Church) ((and for some reason Whoopi Goldberg was one of their large notable investors))

And recall how they stated that the NSA specifically likes to hire Mormons?

And recall North First Street DC that was purchased by Cerberus Group which was the ~Bush-Cabal hedgie, and the reason they bought it because it housed MAE WEST and they wanted to inject NBAR/Surveilling into it -- once they completed that, they sold it off again (To one of their subs, IIRC)

I hate that I am getting old and I start to forget a lot of the malfeasance I have witnessed in my ~30+ years in SV.

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by t-3 »

neil_s_anderson wrote: post #51
ziddoap wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we all know that. We, or I at least, don't agree with it.

You don't agree with monitoring the communications of adversaries at all, or you don't agree with doing the equivalent for communications made in the recent past?

When the country's own citizens are the "adversaries", that's a highly fucked up government and government agency. If the people are the enemy the country is dead.
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