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Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

#101

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You don't know if they're doing their job from a photo. Perhaps they're replying to constituents, reading the details of the law they are being asked to vote on, checking with colleagues on the status of votes, etc. You don't know. It's just harassment without facts.

Well they can do that with paper. They should have the details of the law printed out in front of them. Scrolling through on a phone seems very limited. They can write down notes and they can reply to constituents after they vote.

Yeah! We used to write code on paper too! Software engnieers should only use paper too!

All computer programs should also be printed and reviewed using punch cards!

A literal computer with arguably more features than a modern desktop is too limited!

This is a totally sane take! I know I like writing things twice, or using a format without any ability to search through it.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

#102

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Presumably that specific reason would not apply to high-level politicians in their own country, and if it did they would have a real-time translator.

In other wording, if someone is speaking about a subject I'm not entirely familiar with, I'd likely be googling different details to get a more real picture than the one presented by the person proposing changes. Incentives and all that. An issue with political discourse in parliaments is that it's a meeting with a lot of important people so you can't really ask for clarifications again and again as you would in a 5…

If you're constantly looking up things on your phone about what a speaker just said, you'll miss the thing being said right now. Humans cannot multitask. Anyone that says they can are lying or are misguided at best. So instead of missing one thing, you've put yourself in a position to miss even more rather than looking up something afterwards.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

#103
post #60

This is beyond silly. You could be using your phone to factcheck something that relates to the ongoing discussion. Or having a side-chat with another member, privately expressing/requesting an opinion to provide context. Or to take quick notes. Or, nowadays, you might even be using an AI to keep a running summary of what the speaker has been rambling about in the last 50 minutes, translated from 'buzzspeak' to 'human…

You call it silly because you could be doing useful stuff on your phone. I'd go one step further and say that even if you're slacking off that's not necessarily a bad thing. Everybody, including politicians, slacks off from time to time. Be it due to stress, awful sleep because the neighbor's dog barked all night, illness, or something else. It's just human and there's little wrong with it as long as you do your job…

Which has me wondering if the entire point is to make the politicians critically aware of how absurd AI performance monitoring isn't as innocuous as those selling it to the politicians will make it out to be.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

#104

As a former politician, I really don't love this. It's already difficult enough to get people of the capacities that most of us want to see (good, smart, could be employed elsewhere, empathetic) involved in politics as it's so negative and divisive. There are, as other comments highlight, loads of legitimate and reasonable reasons why somebody would be using a phone mid-debate: rebuttal research, communicating with c…

Nobody loves this, and I suspect that's the point. I expect this same tech is about to be rolled out en masse to surveil workers everywhere (if it hasn't already been).

I further suspect that by applying this to the people in charge of creating regulations, the artist is trying to drive new regulations.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

#105
post #18

Living in a country that doesn't speak my first language, I use the dictionary all the time during meetings and presentations. I hate it when people tell me that’s rude.. Okay I'll just sit here and not understand what was said to keep up appearances?

Presumably that specific reason would not apply to high-level politicians in their own country, and if it did they would have a real-time translator.

Actually, Belgium has two (main) official languages so roughly 50% of the people present are now hearing their native language.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

#106
post #17

This seems to be an art installation, but I see no explanation of what it means. Is there subtext that's obvious to someone from Belgium (e.g., politicians on phones is a known hot issue)? Or is the viewer supposed to interpret? BTW, if the main complaint that you have about your politicians is that they sometimes look at their phones while in meetings, you're doing really well, count your blessings.

Art is like that, you don't always get a prepackaged explanation of how you "should" interpret it.

Edit: perhaps the work of the politicians can be thought of in the same way; a lot of the job is performance art.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

#107

As a former politician, I really don't love this. It's already difficult enough to get people of the capacities that most of us want to see (good, smart, could be employed elsewhere, empathetic) involved in politics as it's so negative and divisive. There are, as other comments highlight, loads of legitimate and reasonable reasons why somebody would be using a phone mid-debate: rebuttal research, communicating with c…

Nobody loves this, and I suspect that's the point. I expect this same tech is about to be rolled out en masse to surveil workers everywhere (if it hasn't already been). I further suspect that by applying this to the people in charge of creating regulations, the artist is trying to drive new regulations.

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Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

#108

As a former politician, I really don't love this. It's already difficult enough to get people of the capacities that most of us want to see (good, smart, could be employed elsewhere, empathetic) involved in politics as it's so negative and divisive. There are, as other comments highlight, loads of legitimate and reasonable reasons why somebody would be using a phone mid-debate: rebuttal research, communicating with c…

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Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

#109
post #17

This seems to be an art installation, but I see no explanation of what it means. Is there subtext that's obvious to someone from Belgium (e.g., politicians on phones is a known hot issue)? Or is the viewer supposed to interpret? BTW, if the main complaint that you have about your politicians is that they sometimes look at their phones while in meetings, you're doing really well, count your blessings.

> if the main complaint that you have about your politicians is that they sometimes look at their phones It's just a cheap shot to rile up people that don't know better. Actively listening and arguing with opposition in the Parliament have very little to do with actual politics. Swedish newspapers do a similar thing every year when they name and shame the politicians that submitted the fewest bills, making no mention…

The fact that Belgium could function without too much issues for that long points to that it did not have much of an impact. This is because a lot of the things that a normal federal government does, is done by the regions in Belgium.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

#110
post #85

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This is beyond silly. You could be using your phone to to find a hooker for tonight. A legit uses of technology. Normally they use their iPads for that though.

And you can use your iPad or computer to check Facebook

I was actually citing a real world example ... but yes there is also prior art of people browsing facebook on a bunch of devices.
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