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Goodness, the music that is produced has almost no discernible time signature. I don't know if my brain is faulty, but I find it extremely annoying to listen to.
“Pop punk with prog rock time signatures“ is a funny idea, but it’s not interesting to listen to when there’s obviously zero intention behind it.
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Can you please make your substantive points without snark or fulmination? We're really trying for something else here. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .
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Can you please make your substantive points without snark or fulmination? We're really trying for something else here. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .
I get it, but the anguish of people who were paid dramatically less and treated dramatically worse than software developers whose livelihoods are being deliberately harpooned by the software business is not "sour grapes." I'd expect the software culture to be tolerant of the upper class being being indifferent to that anguish, but I see people around here all but dancing on their graves with no real push back. I thin…
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Totally with you. But it's the trend we get to re-balance in a good way: > People that never considered the value of artistic process until it was the topic du jour unilaterally decided that it was inefficient, oppressive, complex, frivolous, and unfairly inaccessible to those that hadn't put any sustained effort into developing theirs. This is eerily reminiscent of what's happening inside the USA government & admini…
It's incredibly elitist to gatekeep people having their plans, actions, opinions, and philosophical ideas taken seriously just because they haven't trudged through the onerous process of considering what humanity has already learned about those things. Do these people expect everybody that wants to profit must try to predict the damage that their actions could cause among people that will obviously be affected? Some…
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> Cynic in me thinks that all of the wealth generated by enormous productivity gains resulting from automation will not find its way towards population displaced by it. Empirically, that's not true. Unemployment was at an all-time low after most of those jobs were eliminated, and wages after adjusting for inflation continued to rise in real terms.
I am inclined to doubt the sources of these empirical observations. Statistics are funny like that, “average patient temperature in the hospital” effect and frequent inability to correctly attribute confounding factors outside of observed window. Equally bad is anecdotal evidence, but I’ll drop some anyway. For a while now I am observing a crisis thats, admittedly subjectively, easy to see - but is somehow absent in…
Wherever all the cashiers, toll booth operators, and farmers went after automation took their jobs.
New jobs are created, the people displaced have to migrate to them.
Is it fun for them? No.
Is it how the world works? Yes.
Technology thus far has a VERY VERY long and established role of creating more jobs than it eliminates.
See >95% of the population being employed in agriculture for tens of thousands of years and being reduced to about 5% over the course of 100 years (and civilization being FAR FAR better off for it).
Will that trend one day end? Probably.
Will it be doomsday for the plebs? Who knows.
Is it happening within a timeframe worth worrying about? Unlikely.
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I don't think there's any stopping it, unfortunately. The internet is too good at "optimising" content. The future is Mr Beast, Instagram hotties and 6 pack guys, tiktok morons and onlyfans. Be happy, the market has spoken.
People that never considered the value of artistic process until it was the topic du jour unilaterally decided that it was inefficient, oppressive, complex, frivolous, and unfairly inaccessible to those that hadn't put any sustained effort into developing theirs. If you didn't understand what they don't, you'd realize that companies spending billions of dollars to create tools that make cheap simulacra of artists' wo…
For sure! After all, what could be more democratic than a monthly subscription that could get snatched away at any moment - and clearly there's nothing more creative than pressing a button and waiting for 20 seconds!
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Sure, with several hundred hours to spare one can make some songs in a DAW. Now one can make something as good/bad in maybe 1/10x the time. Or, given the same time investment, one can possibly make something better!
The goal of AI automating labor should be to give us more leisure time to pursue hobbies, not to fill our limited leisure time with low quality substitutes for those hobbies. Making an activity in which the primary limiting factors for most people are the time, knowledge, and effort required (as opposed to expensive tools) into an effortless slot machine pull is enfeebling to human creativity and agency. Who will spe…
I agree that the slot machine pull of current models is tedious and boring. I look forward to models/systems which better facilitate more creative control, directed exploration and iterative refinement.
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I get it, but the anguish of people who were paid dramatically less and treated dramatically worse than software developers whose livelihoods are being deliberately harpooned by the software business is not "sour grapes." I'd expect the software culture to be tolerant of the upper class being being indifferent to that anguish, but I see people around here all but dancing on their graves with no real push back. I thin…
I'm friends with plenty of starving artists or folks working day jobs and forced to keep their music on the side. If you're sad about not making money in music then there are dozens of other things you can blame besides AI that doesn't actually work well enough to take the job you currently don't have because of reasons not controlled by the evil software nerds.
Enjoy your mass layoffs because they aren’t stopping in my sector. Oh, are you one of the special ones too talented to be affected? That’s good news because all developers are according to them. Good luck.
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That's not smug at all. That's not what I'm saying either. It's just that.. you can't master something you don't practice and understand. It's true in every single thing in life you do, sports, literature, maths, music, cuisine, kindness, etc. If you don't like to compose music, why suffer this and even submit to the randomness of some computer program, rather than giving the opportunity to another fellow human to op…
I don't understand the "give it [the task?] to someone who does" part. Obtaining a hobbyist composer who is available at short notice and obeys instructions for free is not usually an option. Maybe there's a website for this, but it would have to be humming with idle composers in order to offer quick and satisfactory results. I think "stop not enjoying it" is a better line to take. Like with AI illustrations (where I…
"Giving it someone who does" is also an opportunity to socialise and grow a mutual understanding of said music desire. That's sometimes even how collaborations start. But that's not on short notice...
Perhaps generators could be also seen as some kind of introductory instruments to wet the appetite of becoming musicians?
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The ability to record has led the greatest expansion I musical artistry in human history. Ty it don’t think peasants were listening t to Bach, do you? Only the extraordinarily wealthy could afford to have music as anything like an every day thing.
And with more affordable and easier-to-learn tools, the creation of music will be similarly made much more accessible? DAWs and virtual instruments running on regular laptop was one step, generative AI models will be another?
In the same sense that a music producer telling an artist to "make me a new song" or a new album is creation of music on the part of the producer.
It's not what most people think of when they hear "creating music".