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Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

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Post by karmajunkie »

hnthrow90348765 wrote: post #58
philistine wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The is exactly a move the people in power in those troubled countries will use to maintain control over government. It used to be that the US government had pride in its own professionalism. The US is now acting like the countries it loves to destabilize.

Well, Russia is destabilizing the US and winning which is why I think we're acting like that. And it seems all of our military and counterintelligence capabilities can't stop it. Too much offense, not enough defense, it seems.

the first amendment has become a national security threat, it would seem…

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

#102

Post by Cthulhu_ »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #2

The disruption is (part of) the point. Degrading the ability of government employees to do their jobs leads to greater inefficiency and more failure, which can then be pointed at to validate assertions that government isn't efficient and produces bad outcomes.

But they should've shown their assertions and proof thereof beforehand. It's been pointed out that they say organizations are wasteful, but those are vague weasel words; show some numbers, do a root cause analysis and fix what is broken.

But the goal is not to fix what isn't working, it never was - it's a diversion and an excuse to dismantle the federal government, checks and balances, and move to an unchecked oligarchy/autocracy. Taking the whole country with them, of course.

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

#103

Post by RobRivera »

Aurornis wrote: post #23
selykg wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely insane that this is what we've come to. It is mind blowing to me that this is what people want. We are regressing this country so rapidly that we are likely to become one of those shithole countries the president so loudly proclaimed Haiti, El Salvador and others were.

> It is mind blowing to me that this is what people want. It is not what people want. The Trump administration’s popularity is already below 50%, and much lower among independents (around 30% depending on the poll). Many people aren’t yet aware of what’s happening. A lot of the electorate is getting their news from filtered sources like Fox News or various far right media outlets. Joe Rogan has gone all in on praisin…

The rules of this forum dictate that participants can't make claims of astroturfing, so I won't make that claim.

On a related note, I find it interesting that your comment is being downvoted while contributing to the dialogue productively.

Inference is left as an exercise to the reader.

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

#104

Post by SketchySeaBeast »

dfxm12 wrote: post #82
Aurornis wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is mind blowing to me that this is what people want. It is not what people want. The Trump administration’s popularity is already below 50%, and much lower among independents (around 30% depending on the poll). Many people aren’t yet aware of what’s happening. A lot of the electorate is getting their news from filtered sources like Fox News or various far right media outlets. Joe Rogan has gone all in on praisin…

This is what Trump campaigned on though. This is what he said he'd do. Did people vote for Trump because they thought he was a liar?

But isn't that how Trump campaigned and ran his first presidency? He vomits a stream of random garbage and, if you like him, you pick through it to find the half digested bits you like while ignoring everything else. His opponents do the opposite but, to be fair, it seems like a perfectly reasonable stance to listen to what a person says and assumes they might actually do what they are promising to do.

His "charm" is that he won't do 3/4 of what he says, the difficulty is figuring out which quarter he is going to enact.

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

#105

Post by selykg »

pastor_williams wrote: post #87
dataangel wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This what a huge chunk of HN wanted! HN was all aboard the Trump train for years and the mods admonished anyone being too critical of other users for it, it's when I wrote off most of the people here as morons.

[citation needed]

For what it's worth, while I don't agree with the moron bit of what OP said, I have felt like I have seen HN leaning more pro-Trump. And it does also feel like saying anything critical of him can be heavily downvoted. There really does appear to be a large contingent of pro-Trump people on here, at least in my experience. I don't have citations, just my own experience, so, obviously take it for what it is.

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

#107

Post by Octoth0rpe »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #64
dataangel wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This what a huge chunk of HN wanted! HN was all aboard the Trump train for years and the mods admonished anyone being too critical of other users for it, it's when I wrote off most of the people here as morons.

I’ll never forget the Great HN Vote where everyone decided to get on board the Trump Train

OP didn't say a majority. It's hard to deny that a sizable portion of the tech community is made up of ancap techno-libertarian types; and that the dismantling of the US government is their dream.

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

#108

Post by pyrale »

selykg wrote: post #10
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #2

The disruption is (part of) the point. Degrading the ability of government employees to do their jobs leads to greater inefficiency and more failure, which can then be pointed at to validate assertions that government isn't efficient and produces bad outcomes.

Absolutely insane that this is what we've come to. It is mind blowing to me that this is what people want. We are regressing this country so rapidly that we are likely to become one of those shithole countries the president so loudly proclaimed Haiti, El Salvador and others were.

> It is mind blowing to me that this is what people want.

I very much doubt this is what people want. But people aren't asked their opinion, and there's a difference between disagreeing and starting an insurrection to prevent a coup.

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

#109

Post by Cthulhu_ »

hnthrow90348765 wrote: post #58
philistine wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The is exactly a move the people in power in those troubled countries will use to maintain control over government. It used to be that the US government had pride in its own professionalism. The US is now acting like the countries it loves to destabilize.

Well, Russia is destabilizing the US and winning which is why I think we're acting like that. And it seems all of our military and counterintelligence capabilities can't stop it. Too much offense, not enough defense, it seems.

They can, but they won't because nobody dares to stick their neck out for fear of losing their job. And that's been going on for decades, the slow dismantling (if there ever was any) of job and income security, to the point where the majority of Americans, including federal workers, are only one or two paychecks away from financial ruin. Nobody wants to lose their job.

Of course, if they get fired and there's nothing else for them to do, there will be uprisings.

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

#110

Post by sporkit150 »

kept3k wrote: post #13

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Agree, there are bound to be some logistical issues during RTO and they will eventually sort themselves out. The article is grasping at straws. Do I really think asking government employees to work out of an office is unreasonable? No.
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