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What, if anything, should I do about using Mozilla's Firefox

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Re: What, if anything, should I do about using Mozilla's Firefox

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Post by crossroadsguy »

bradley_taunt wrote: post #86
crossroadsguy wrote: post #21

My needs are: - I like Safari as a browser and can live with it - at least on Mac and Safari. But goodness, its sync and almost anything it does with iCloud is atrocious. Now, Apple being Apple they definitely wouldn’t let anyone else fix that. - I also need to use Android where I use Safari. I would happily ditch Safari and Firefox if I can use a browser (without crypto shenanigans, edgy UI) all I need are: - robust…

The Orion browser has been great for me on MacOS and iOS. It won’t help you with your Android requirement, but every other point is covered! (Allows for Firefox / Chrome extensions too)

I will give it a try. The icon reminds me of an old browser called Camino (if I remember the name correctly). I loved that browser.

A quick notice: I opted to play the intro video and the video was completely useless, without any control or a way to exit or anything at all. Luckily it didn't go for mins but it was also not like a splash screen. Honestly that is not a very good first impression imho.

But the interface is very promising. Doesn't look "odd" on Mac the way I feel on Brave or even Safari. Will give it a shot. Imported everything from Safari except passwords.

Re: What, if anything, should I do about using Mozilla's Firefox

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Post by crossroadsguy »

qskousen wrote: post #27
crossroadsguy wrote: post #21

My needs are: - I like Safari as a browser and can live with it - at least on Mac and Safari. But goodness, its sync and almost anything it does with iCloud is atrocious. Now, Apple being Apple they definitely wouldn’t let anyone else fix that. - I also need to use Android where I use Safari. I would happily ditch Safari and Firefox if I can use a browser (without crypto shenanigans, edgy UI) all I need are: - robust…

I would recommend Vivaldi then. I've been using it for half a year and it's pretty good.

I tried it for last two days and then uninstalled it. Didn't click. But I found Vivaldi much (!!) better than Brave.

I am trying Orion now based on a comment here. Let's see how it goes.

Re: What, if anything, should I do about using Mozilla's Firefox

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Post by canadiantim »

DrinkyBird wrote: post #15

I decided to just stay with Firefox and disable any rubbish that Mozilla adds as it comes. I tried Librewolf, but the unstable RPM repository was very annoying, because zypper disallows system updates if even one repository fails to refresh. I also had some weird issues keeping it pinned to my desktop environment's dock. It also didn't want to save its window geometry (very annoying for me), and the only way to trans…

Brave browser seems like the best choice moving forward

Re: What, if anything, should I do about using Mozilla's Firefox

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Post by crossroadsguy »

mitchell209 wrote: post #53
crossroadsguy wrote: post #21

My needs are: - I like Safari as a browser and can live with it - at least on Mac and Safari. But goodness, its sync and almost anything it does with iCloud is atrocious. Now, Apple being Apple they definitely wouldn’t let anyone else fix that. - I also need to use Android where I use Safari. I would happily ditch Safari and Firefox if I can use a browser (without crypto shenanigans, edgy UI) all I need are: - robust…

The only thing that saves Safari syncing for me is the tab groups. iCloud automatic syncing is terrible. I'm pretty sure it's not even syncing my iPad's open tabs for some reason and I have no idea how to start troubleshooting it except for removing my iCloud account and then signing back in.

I mean it's just pathetic. I see tabs that I closed from both Mac and iPhone months ago and it had stopped showing up in iCloud Tabs and then it decides to show up again. This is just one among the countless problems.

The point is such problems are so old - years/decades - that you know 1. Apple doesn't want to fix it, 2. Apple is not capable of fixing it. I really think both 1 and 2 are correct.

I wish Apple just made great and safe hardware let the software be handled by entities with software expertise.

By the way someone suggested Orion. I think it has tabs. Might want to try.

Re: What, if anything, should I do about using Mozilla's Firefox

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Post by woodrowbarlow »

heresie-dabord wrote: post #81
DrinkyBird wrote: post #15

I decided to just stay with Firefox and disable any rubbish that Mozilla adds as it comes. I tried Librewolf, but the unstable RPM repository was very annoying, because zypper disallows system updates if even one repository fails to refresh. I also had some weird issues keeping it pinned to my desktop environment's dock. It also didn't want to save its window geometry (very annoying for me), and the only way to trans…

> mainly, I'm still dependant on Mozilla no matter where I go. They are the ones actually doing the hard work of developing the browser engine You are being reasonable. Firefox is an essential application in my day. I support Mozilla directly -- in a small way, this helps to ensure that Firefox is available to me and others. Consider -- Browser Market Share Worldwide - February 2025 Chrome 66.29% Safari 18.01% Edge 5…

> GOOG dropped the slogan "Don't Be Evil" -- I cordially invite all relaxing frogs to speculate about future increases to the water temperature.

the problem is that mozilla also seems to be boiling the frog right now.

Re: What, if anything, should I do about using Mozilla's Firefox

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Post by tannhaeuser »

FWIW, webkit's github [1] links directly to the "Epiphany Technology Preview" at gnome.org as a supported project. I have no idea if that leads to a full-featured modern browser for Linux, but I'm pretty sure if it doesn't, there should be a fork that does or creating one might be worth considering, and should be even fun and relatively easy to get kicked off. Also, since Webkit is based on KHTML, there might be re-integrations into KDE worth exploring. Ages ago there used to be Safari builds for Windows Apple created to get Safari into the hand of web developers that weren't using Macs, but it doesn't look like there's anything left to pickup.

[1]: https://github.com/WebKit/WebKit

Re: What, if anything, should I do about using Mozilla's Firefox

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Post by daneel_w »

abbe98 wrote: post #99
daneel_w wrote: post #60

I'm testing Zen ( https://zen-browser.app/ ) on macOS since a while back. Updates seem to lag behind the upstream by everything from 2 to 10 days. Every now and then a Zen-specific update shows up. So far the experience has been good. I don't know how true to their word of protecting privacy the authors really are, as my web proxy shows that the browser connects with Google infrastructure at sporadic intervals throug…

I think most FF forks are dependent on Google Safe Browsing and some of Googles DRM services.

Uses it, but not dependant on it. I keep these things disabled.

Re: What, if anything, should I do about using Mozilla's Firefox

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Post by bo1024 »

roenxi wrote: post #18

I'm not sold that avoiding Chromium is any sort of win. It seems to be BSD licensed. The code comes from a long and storied OSS tradition. It is unclear why that having multiple different browser engines is strategically important. As far as I know we've long left behind the world where a hobbyist project could reasonably expect to implement modern JavaScript. Brave's existence and success suggests that competitors b…

Manifest v1/v2 is already an illustration of the problem. Google will use its power to impose (de-facto) standards that hurt users and give itself more money and power.
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