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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Unsurprising considering the U.S. has been arresting and imprisoning Chinese and American academics with highly prestigious positions in well known universities because they forgot to mention a conference in China they were paid to speak at a decade ago.

Or they show up video taping airbases because they easily get lost

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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This is unfortunate, but understood. I worked in a university research spinout US-China multinational AI hardware startup, and (without getting into confidential information, but only speaking of general engineering practice) I can mention that both nations' government concerns could be barriers. And some rules can be counterproductive for the one making the rule, even from a competitive perspective -- not even turni…

> I hope that this sharing will continue and increase It will continue until they pass us. They're coming from behind, and releasing models as open source essentially wipes the board of hundreds of American startups. Growth hackers and solopreneurs like @levelsio can be nipping at the heels of $300M funded companies who poured all of their points into training models, making expensive mistakes, and overpaying for com…

I think this is the best economic function of open source—it forces innovation by elimination of rent seeking.

If you sit on your laurels, someone will make a solution thats at least 70% as good for free.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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if only one side has nukes slavery will be much more widespread if everyone has them all the slave traders competing with each other will be at least mitigated kind of crazy they saw all the graffiti license plate games that early

If everyone has them they are more likely to be used over minor issues.

don't believe everything the slavers tell you :)

if everyone had a way to completely disintegrate the planet no one would be above another

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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It's already been happening for years. Award winning faculty and scientists are fleeing US universities and institutions and setting up shop in China, often with more funding and talent available, and no McCarthyism accusations of being spies. It started officially in 2018 with the US Department of Justice's "China Initiative", which basically just allowed anyone to go on a witch hunt of Chinese and Chinese American…

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Even if they were communists or had communist sympathies, who cares? I am pretty sure Oppenheimer did way more for the country than McCarthy. We should persecute/prosecute for illegal things they do, not for their political leanings.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Not many will take a massive pay cut only to pay more taxes

You’re incorrect. Many will and do. US life is more plentiful in terms of cash but not in terms of hard value. Why do you think we get so many American tourists? Unfortunately Europe is full of self inflicted wounds, especially around entrepreneurship, but we are working on those.

> Why do you think we get so many American tourists?

Because the US is a young country compared to most of Europe?

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not many will take a massive pay cut only to pay more taxes

You’re incorrect. Many will and do. US life is more plentiful in terms of cash but not in terms of hard value. Why do you think we get so many American tourists? Unfortunately Europe is full of self inflicted wounds, especially around entrepreneurship, but we are working on those.

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Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not many will take a massive pay cut only to pay more taxes

You’re incorrect. Many will and do. US life is more plentiful in terms of cash but not in terms of hard value. Why do you think we get so many American tourists? Unfortunately Europe is full of self inflicted wounds, especially around entrepreneurship, but we are working on those.

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Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

#108

I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? When you read the reasoning of people that defected from UK/US to soviet with nuclear secrets it's kinda hard to grasp now, but back then I can definitely understand that a mix of "the soviets are not that bad" and "are we really that good?" could've made people switch…

A lot of developed countries like across Europe and Singapore dont have the same geopolitical history with China as the US does, as such the Sinophobia isn’t really there Many people really enjoyed Shanghai and other cities and are recipients of expansive social safety nets of China If you’re middle class and in a big city or some of the planned cities, China is fine, not without its difficulty of adjusting to, some…

Sure, just don't practice Falun Gong or be a Christian or an Uyghur.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

#109

I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? When you read the reasoning of people that defected from UK/US to soviet with nuclear secrets it's kinda hard to grasp now, but back then I can definitely understand that a mix of "the soviets are not that bad" and "are we really that good?" could've made people switch…

I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China?

No. The US will experience a brain drain to Europe, Canada, and Australia, but not to China. Trump still has a ways to go to match the excesses of the Xi regime.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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> I hope that this sharing will continue and increase It will continue until they pass us. They're coming from behind, and releasing models as open source essentially wipes the board of hundreds of American startups. Growth hackers and solopreneurs like @levelsio can be nipping at the heels of $300M funded companies who poured all of their points into training models, making expensive mistakes, and overpaying for com…

I think this is the best economic function of open source—it forces innovation by elimination of rent seeking. If you sit on your laurels, someone will make a solution thats at least 70% as good for free.

or they will regulatory capture, that seems more likely
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