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Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by robertlagrant »

llamaimperative wrote: post #96
robertlagrant wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's simpler principles: cost of living is different in different countries, and politicians generally get votes for promising to spend money (raising the cost of living) or doing other COL-raising activities, rather than to save it (thus potentially lowering it). There are no solutions; only trade-offs. And the US, like many first world countries, has picked trade-offs that raise the average COL.

Cost of living never goes down if productivity is going up

Why is that? If I replace a team of 20 admin staff with 3 admin staff and Microsoft Office licences to replace a paper filing system with a digital one, haven't I raised productivity and lowered prices?

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by api »

llamaimperative wrote: post #97
api wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before Trump, Bush II burned the moral goodwill America had after WWII and the Cold War. After Iraq in particular the US can no longer claim to stand for the systems of international law it helped create. Now Trump is burning alliances and soft power and threatening to burn the dollar. It seems like imploding the postwar order and the US position therein is a right wing goal.

But the critical question: will sinking our nation, cratering our economy, and destroying our privileged position in the world also own the libs?

You joke, but I suspect there is a contingent that is fine with a much poorer backwater US if they can put women back in their place and the gays back in the closet. Poverty might even help restore these traditions.

Like tankie communists they care more about the ideology than the real outcome. They are in love with a fantasy of how the world ought to look and if it doesn’t look that way it must burn.

This is why I have a low opinion of all ideologues, those on the left as well. They will all kill and impoverish us if the square peg does not fit in the round hole.

There are also white nationalists for whom white birth rates and ethnic cleansing are the only things that matter. Same deal there.

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by nxobject »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #76
throw0101c wrote: post #56

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> Delete subsidy carrot, replace with tariff stick? Tariffs are both subsidies and taxes at the same time; see "Tariffs Give U.S. Steelmakers a Green Light to Lift Prices": > Executives from U.S. steel companies were enthusiastic backers of the 2018 tariffs and have urged Trump to deploy them again in his second term. They have called for the elimination of tariff exemptions and duty-free import quotas, saying those…

Tariffs are massively simpler though and less prone to corruption. The latter is I think the reason we hear so much screeching about them. Right now our industries are competing with slave labor and lax environmental controls. If we don’t want either of those things here, we can’t allow groups who do those things to sell into our market freely. The idea that we tax our people and hand the money to our companies so th…

> Right now our industries are competing with slave labor and lax environmental controls. If we don’t want either of those things here, we can’t allow groups who do those things to sell into our market freely.

It would be nice if tariffs would serve that purpose in this timeline, but they won't. The actual "we" imposing tariffs is diametrically opposed to the "we" (me included) that want better labor and environmental standards (well, a planet that isn't a cinderblock by 2025). Trump, Musk, and their ideological collaborators are probably dismantling the NLRB, the EEOC, and EPA as we speak.

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by voidfunc »

disqard wrote: post #73
daft_pink wrote: post #66

Probably an unpopular opinion, but defending Taiwan was always a bluff. Americans aren’t going to die en masse over some random island in the pacific. We will heavily sanction China and use economic tools, but we aren’t going to start World War 3 over some small island in the pacific.

You might be right now in your judgement of what Americans are willing to die for. However, I'm old enough to recall when America was convinced by Rumsfeld et. al. to send US soldiers in harms way -- over 4000 of them died in Iraq -- for some obscenely lucrative oil contracts. That qualifies as "die en masse", and it was over some really flimsy pretext, which was later proved to be completely false.

You don't understand, those people were brown and the wrong religion and were easily associated with the other brown guys that killed a couple thousand people in 2001.

Also 4K is a drop in the bucket compared to what it would take to defend Taiwan.

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by Clubber »

hindsightbias wrote: post #39
osnium123 wrote: post #2

So much for TSMC’s Arizona expansion and Intel’s foundry plans.

Why are we subsizing Apple when they have $200B in cash laying around? Repatriate and give them sme tax credit.

A lot of subsidization is tax credits.

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by Clubber »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #47
toomuchtodo wrote: post #9

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Will not be great when China invades Taiwan and global supply of TSMC output evaporates as TSMC destroys the fabs to prevent takeover. > Earlier this year, he said: "Disabling or destroying TSMC is table stakes if China is taking over Taiwan. Would we be so insane as to allow the world's key semiconductor company [to] fall untouched into the hands of an aggressive PRC? Taiwanese should realize that would be the least…

Trump doesn't give two shits about Taiwan. My guess is he'll break out his great negotiation skills to get China to … agree that Taiwan is part of China and that we should pay them more for chips (except he'll sell it to us as paying less by just flat out lying about it).

The US stance is that Taiwan is already part of China and has been for a while.

https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/

The United States’ approach to Taiwan has remained consistent across decades and administrations. The United States has a longstanding one China policy, which is guided by the Taiwan Relations Act, the three Joint Communiques, and the Six Assurances. We continue to have an abiding interest in peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait. We oppose any unilateral changes to the status quo from either side. We expect cross-Strait differences to be resolved by peaceful means, free from coercion, in a manner acceptable to the people on both sides of the Strait. Consistent with the Taiwan Relations Act, the United States makes available defense articles and services as necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capability – and maintains the capacity to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of the people on Taiwan.

Keep in mind, that if we go to war with China, they'll probably have to reinstate the draft.

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Post by jajko »

abenga wrote: post #79
scarab92 wrote: post #52

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> Trump won due to the public backlash from social policies that originated within the humanities departments No, he won because people believed silly lies.

Silly comfortable feel-good lies. I hate the situation just like the next guy, but he is a symptom of larger issues in societies currently, not really restricted to US (look at who keeps winning European elections recently).

Addiction to quick dopamine kicks (from social networks aka soul cancer for most, and earlier from reality shows) manifests also like that, people subconsciously seek them and patience and long term focus diminishes. How many people here are properly addicted in same way via ie doom scrolling. US public education still struggles to teach scientific views on world (creationism push in the south), don't expect masses of highly intelligent critically thinking people coming out of them.

I personally think also PC, LBGTQ+ topics etc. were pushed too hard too fast for most people's taste, creating quiet but effective resistance and backslash that only manifests anonymously in ie elections. Some of MeToo headliners were female sexual predators themselves, you really can't come up with more effective way how to destroy it quickly for good.

Elite is what it is because its comparatively small in numbers. And echo chambers can easily make one feel like whole world is like that. At the end this is democracy too, like it or not.

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by _t9ow »

jajko wrote: post #100
_t9ow wrote: post #85

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> Half the workers in the factory are brought in from Taiwan. Thus depriving Taiwan of its much-needed intellectual and human capital to sustain its Silicon Shield defence strategy. I frequently browse social media sites that are popular among the Taiwanese, and my impression is that they are generally unhappy about this state of affairs, seeing it as an act of economic coercion from the US.

> they are generally unhappy about this state of affairs, seeing it as an act of economic coercion from the US Welcome to how rest of the world feels like now

I come from an Asian country; I'm no stranger to how the rest of the world (outside of Europe and Canada) has always perceived the US.

If you're European or Canadian, welcome to the club.

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Post by llamaimperative »

robertlagrant wrote: post #101
llamaimperative wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cost of living never goes down if productivity is going up

Why is that? If I replace a team of 20 admin staff with 3 admin staff and Microsoft Office licences to replace a paper filing system with a digital one, haven't I raised productivity and lowered prices?

Productivity increases -> wages go up -> "30% of salary on rent" goes up -> rent goes up -> cost of everything goes up

We could arrest pretty much all cost of living growth if all renters (both businesses and individuals) just decided not to continuously agree to pay higher prices for the same land/apartments/buildings.

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by jwarden »

daft_pink wrote: post #66

Probably an unpopular opinion, but defending Taiwan was always a bluff. Americans aren’t going to die en masse over some random island in the pacific. We will heavily sanction China and use economic tools, but we aren’t going to start World War 3 over some small island in the pacific.

Taiwan is not some small random island in the Pacific. It is a country of 23 million people, one of the best-functioning democracies in the world, and the only Mandarin-speaking democracy. It would be a tragic loss for the world if it were swallowed by the PRC.

Is it important enough to start WWIII. That’s another question.

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