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I found a backdoor into my bed

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Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

#101
As a creative writer I love detailed explanations like this because it helps me recall prior fictional scenarios - in particular, Mom’s Friendly Robot Co. from Futurama. Exploits are innocuous until a use case arises, and the IoT devices in the wild make for a thrilling garden for “what if” contemplation.

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In addition to everything else, also love how a bed with the express purpose to increase sleep quality requires you to open your phone every time you want to adjust a setting.

I’m still fairly upset that ambient devices never really took off. Nanoleaf at least made a remote like this. It’s a dodecahedron with an accelerometer, so you can program each face with a different setting. The simplest being to program opposing faces for two different light levels. You want to take a nap, turn the controller upside down.

Wow. I love that UI concept!

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I'm a two-time Eight Sleep customer and the CEO could post my sleep history specifically with my full name and I'd still use it. It's really comfortable. I think most of the detractors were never remotely in the market for such a product. Everything negative said about the product and the company is true, and they should do better, but it's not enough to scare me away thanks to how good the base product is.

If there was a similar product that does not upload any of your extremely personal data, like whether you're now in your bed, to some server on the internet, would you prefer it?

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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    - They can know when you sleep
    - They can detect when there are 2 people sleeping in the bed instead of 1
    - They can know when it’s night, and no people are in the bed
I'm probably naive, but I'm failing to see how any of this is exclusive to having remote SSH access to the bed. Who's to say this isn't already happening with other binaries in the firmware? Maybe they're already phoning home?

    [...]that bypasses all forms of formal code review process.
How does the author know if anything else in the firmware goes under any kind of code review process?

It's not a bad article, but it does seem to make a lot of assumptions, and you already agreed to let arbitrary code run on your network when you added an IoT device to it.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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I'm a two-time Eight Sleep customer and the CEO could post my sleep history specifically with my full name and I'd still use it. It's really comfortable. I think most of the detractors were never remotely in the market for such a product. Everything negative said about the product and the company is true, and they should do better, but it's not enough to scare me away thanks to how good the base product is.

But is it more comfortable, then say, an old school analog expensive mattress? I can’t shake the feeling these companies are selling snake oil (that is not to say that old school analog mattresses aren’t overpriced either)

You may be misunderstanding the product--it's a topper that goes on top of your existing mattress. It doesn't replace the mattress. I do indeed have it on top of an old school analog expensive mattress. It cools/warms to the desired temperature without impacting the comfort from the mattress. I don't think there's much room for snake oil here: it pumps cooled or heated water through the mattress topper. There's no mystery.

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> While the Eight Sleep CEO Matteo seems focused on providing DOGE with great sleep More sycophants coming out of the woodwork.

It's him and that mattress guy, and the whole stereotype of mattress stores being money laundering fronts. What's up with the bed industry in general?

Could you please let me know who the "mattress guy" is?

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I've heard the sleep people get with this is excellent, but no way in hell am I paying a subscription and requiring an internet connection for my bed. The entire concept is just absurd. If it sells, it sells, I guess.

This all has me quite torn. The "smart" features on it are genuinely useful for me - I have sleep apnea, as well as an eight sleep + the electronic platform. It automatically changes the elevation of my head based on apnea events, and I see a marked reduction in them when using this feature. I have a cpap machine that also makes automatic adjustments but I still get noticeably better sleep quality with the eight slee…

It would be nice if we could provide medical assistance to people who need it without jamming these devices full of adware garbage and forcing people to connect to the internet to use their own possessions.

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I've also heard about people finding new foam mattresses too hot :( like me. will buy a spring mattress next time Edit thank you for your recommendation but I'm in italy, European and American mattresses are quite different. Before discovering this, I once wrote to the customer support of the flamingo hotel, Las Vegas, because I loved their mattress: Hi, i do think that what i'm gonna write is weird, but anyway haha.…

Have you tried a more firm foam mattress? I had similar sentiments about foam mattresses but they were all the type where you just feel like you're sinking into the foam.

I did, but in the showrooms in the short time I tried them (and with jeans and clothes and so on) I didn't got that it was warmer than other firmer mattresses

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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I’m still fairly upset that ambient devices never really took off. Nanoleaf at least made a remote like this. It’s a dodecahedron with an accelerometer, so you can program each face with a different setting. The simplest being to program opposing faces for two different light levels. You want to take a nap, turn the controller upside down.

I like this idea, now I want to make one of those. Even a two- or six-sided one would be useful, and I can print different enclosures and reprogram the feather or ESP if I want to add sides.

I don’t think they sell it anymore, but I forgot it’s actually a HomeKit controller, so you could (try) to use it to control several devices at once. Since only one face is up at a time you would have to gang the behaviors, such as turning off several lights or turning them on.

Old CNet article: https://www.cnet.com/reviews/nanoleaf-remote-review/

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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I've also heard people are having excellent sleep in their traditional modern beds. Me included.

I've also heard about people finding new foam mattresses too hot :( like me. will buy a spring mattress next time Edit thank you for your recommendation but I'm in italy, European and American mattresses are quite different. Before discovering this, I once wrote to the customer support of the flamingo hotel, Las Vegas, because I loved their mattress: Hi, i do think that what i'm gonna write is weird, but anyway haha.…

I use latex topper because of this. It works like foam, but has cold feel to it, and hypoallergenic dust mite resistant on top of that.
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