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A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by stevage »

geetee wrote: post #58
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #3

What specific expertise does SpaceX have in the air traffic control realm? What was the bidding process like? Do other regions / nations have more advanced ATC than we do, and what can we learn from them? Is there a problem statement beyond "it has some old bits"? What are the specific goals? Just feels like corruption, tbh.

Because software developers have never worked in an unfamiliar domain, which necessitated interviewing the subject matter experts to gain perspective on their problems and needs.

History is absolutely replete with "technologists" underestimating the difficulty of transforming complex government systems. Health, education, why not add aviation safety to the list.

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by DrNosferatu »

starspangled wrote: post #75
aurareturn wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The process seems fine. But why SpaceX?

The tweet contained an open call for others to also collaborate. Is there any problem with SpaceX doing it or doing it first? I have to admit I get a bit of a knee-jerk reaction about even the appearance of conflict of interest, but if money isn't changing hands then I can't see a problem really. Regulators regularly collaborate with stakeholders, so why not experts in peripheral / somewhat related fields? And really…

Absolutely: having a fat dynamic and rolling stock portfolio of the companies whose market you regulate as a member of congress is indeed problematic - but this not what this post is about, is it?

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by chabes »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #30
i80and wrote: post #22

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> Just feels like corruption, tbh. If a democrat did this, it would (rightly!) be seen as a front-page scandal on the scale of Teapot Dome if not worse.

...it's literally seen as a front-page scandal on HN and the linked source though.

I only found this thread by searching new and going back a couple pages

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by longtimelistnr »

gitfan86 wrote: post #89
XzAeRosho wrote: post #39

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If things felt corrupt before, why not improve the processes? Why keep doing the same but with the companies the administration in turn likes the best?

Removing the process is the improvement. This is what we voted for. Less processes not more and actual results. Ask ChatGPT to compare and contrast Kamala Harris's effectiveness as "broadband Tzar" as compared to SpaceX Starlink.

Got it, so frame the question using language hinting i'm looking for an anti Harris response.

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by therealpygon »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #98
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #30

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...it's literally seen as a front-page scandal on HN and the linked source though.

Where is the outrage from the one group that can actually do anything about this: Republican members of congress and Republican senators? There's already been a handful of impeachment-level events, such as the blatant quid pro quo of the Adams corruption charges dismissal which resulted in a series of DoJ resignations reminiscent of the Saturday Night Massacre. You know, a critical event that shifted public and Repub…

The answer seems pretty simple. They are all spineless loyalists or want to preserve their power these days. Shameful.

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by looofooo0 »

text0404 wrote: post #96
looofooo0 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150904-how-spacex-and-b...

none of this has anything to do with air traffic control. and it's about NASA's agreement with contractors like SpaceX, not SpaceX's relationship with the FAA.

Sure, but they need to calculate risk of their stuff. So they at least know how to do that. So they will understand how risk assessment works and can apply this into analyzing system used and evaluating available system on the markets.

Anyway this is the least concern of what the Trump admin is doing. They siding with Russia putting America's carefully crafted world order down the drain. Read: winter is coming - garry kasparov

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by sumeno »

amazingamazing wrote: post #61
r0ckarong wrote: post #6

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Bidding process? Learn from other nations? Problem statement? Goals? The problem statement is: I don't own this yet. And the goal is: I run everything now. It IS blatant corruption. A foreign national is using his private enterprises to take over government agencies and is backed by a traitor who only cares about his own money and power. If there ever was a more blatant episode of corruption it's what's going on in t…

How can anyone take this post seriously when it gets basic facts wrong.

People take Musk seriously and he gets basic facts wrong constantly

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by amazingamazing »

sumeno wrote: post #107
amazingamazing wrote: post #61

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How can anyone take this post seriously when it gets basic facts wrong.

People take Musk seriously and he gets basic facts wrong constantly

I wasn't talking about the poster, I was talking about the post. If Musk is writing things that gets basic stuff wrong, then that shouldn't be taken seriously, either.

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by jhanschoo »

looofooo0 wrote: post #106
text0404 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

none of this has anything to do with air traffic control. and it's about NASA's agreement with contractors like SpaceX, not SpaceX's relationship with the FAA.

Sure, but they need to calculate risk of their stuff. So they at least know how to do that. So they will understand how risk assessment works and can apply this into analyzing system used and evaluating available system on the markets. Anyway this is the least concern of what the Trump admin is doing. They siding with Russia putting America's carefully crafted world order down the drain. Read: winter is coming - garr…

My understanding regarding ATC issues today is that they are terribly understaffed, and several news outlets have reported on this. If that is the case I don't know how much fancy modelling can help.

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by gitfan86 »

karles wrote: post #99
gitfan86 wrote: post #87

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Trump won in big part because he said he was going to bring Elon in to fix the government. Just because you don't like Trump and Elon doesn't mean that democracy isn't working as intended. Yes the people who were suing SpaceX for not hiring enough immigrants while SpaceX was also required to hire US citizens should be fired. This is what we voted for. If you don't like it you should support a candidate that doesn't f…

Trump won because he has lied and manipulated a population of idiots. They have managed to create a situation where they can say whatever they want and still get support. That much is clear to everyone outside of the US. And we don't want any more of your culture over here thank you very much. No one is debating whether or not increasing efficiency or reducing government is a good or bad thing. It is the way it's bei…

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