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Thoughts on Daylight Computer

jon.bo

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Re: Thoughts on Daylight Computer

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I've got one coming my way hopefully in next 2 months.. I kind of see it similarly to this review - a new category of device and not quite a 1-1 replacement of anything I have. I have reluctantly owned Kindles & iPads since v1 of each, and don't particularly like either. For me the iPad is always the 2nd (or 3rd) best device - if I'm seated indoors at a table or sofa, a MacBook is better.. if I'm on the go, a big iPh…

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I have one of these and I'm just about ready to give it away. The problem is it doesn't fit a use case that I don't have better solutions for. I've found that writing on the screen makes me prefer paper; reading on the screen makes me prefer books. I wanted to like the DC-1 but every time I use it something feels off. Maybe that's partly because I don't enjoy the Android experience.

> I've found that writing on the screen makes me prefer paper; reading on the screen makes me prefer books.

I had the same experience with Remarkable. I've found I'm much happier now that I bought a color laser printer and just print things I want to read! Similarly, I take all my notes on paper and have a sheet feed scanner for digitization

Re: Thoughts on Daylight Computer

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Thank you for writing this up, I'm glad I'm not the online one with the Android issues. Being able to put any software on it is nice, but it comes with a cost. The default Android jank along with the custom home screen makes the product difficult to use. I only wanted to read ebooks on the device but even that experience is not great and the reader app that comes with the device seems to be limited to pdfs. Additionally, there is 0 hand holding during set up. The packaging is top notch, but the QR code with instructions was hidden at the bottom under the device. I did not notice it until days later.

That being said, the screen technology is amazing and I hope they're able to continue the business. Unfortunately the bar for products is very high now but I think they have something here.

Re: Thoughts on Daylight Computer

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I have one of these and I'm just about ready to give it away. The problem is it doesn't fit a use case that I don't have better solutions for. I've found that writing on the screen makes me prefer paper; reading on the screen makes me prefer books. I wanted to like the DC-1 but every time I use it something feels off. Maybe that's partly because I don't enjoy the Android experience.

I've written about this before, but I too gave up on my Daylight - even though I truly love what they are trying to accomplish. I found it: - oddly heavy, the Daylight is made of all plastic (body & screen) - yet it’s heavier than an iPad Air made from metal & glass. - handwriting lag, the input lags when I use the pen is so much that it distracts me while writing a sentence. I have to concentrate to ensure it’s keep…

> handwriting lag, the input lags when I use the pen is so much that it distracts me while writing a sentence

Oh, that's a deal-breaker for me.

I currently have a Remarkable 2, and the handwriting latency is imperceptible - it feels like I'm writing with a physical pen. However, the latency of doing anything except writing is very high - it takes almost a second to undo/redo or open the pen palette, for instance.

The advertised 60Hz display of the Daylight and the underlying Android platform (that makes it possible for me to write my own applications, something that is technically possible but difficult and unreliable on the RM2) made it sound like an upgrade, but if handwriting latency is bad enough that it doesn't feel like paper anymore, I think I'll stick with a combination of my RM2 and desktop.

Theoretically this is something fixable in software (in which case I'm sold), but from what I've heard about Android, it's very much not latency-optimized in either the video or audio space.

Re: Thoughts on Daylight Computer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain more about what that means / share a link to further reading? Tried searching but couldn't find much online about the light polarization specifically, and am interested in the nanotexture for reducing eye strain.

There's some evidence that CPL emissive screens cause less eyestrain than linearly polarized emissive screens (e.g., https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9010255 ), although the evidence there is not wildly strong. If you have a pair of RealD 3-D glasses (CPL filters) and look at a nanotexture iPad, you'll see that the nanotex layer decoheres the polarization of the underlying display, which is more like how norm…

Very helpful, thank you!

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Ultimately, the first line is really resonated with me:

"When I get to write or read on a screen that’s reflecting the sun back at me instead of needing to be shielded from it, I get a dose of this feeling that this is what all computing could feel like. I want so much more of this in my life."

I have the DC-1, and where I've used it in direct sunlight, it's a great feeling. However... it's rare that this matters. But... it's winter. And so I'm inside because it's f*king cold out. I'm holding onto hope that this will bring me outside to read and note take a bit more eventually.

My iPad is still king for my "tablet computing". Especially note taking, drawing, design tasks (like CAD), casual gaming and entertainment consumption. I don't see the DC-1 replacing my iPad use any time soon. The app ecosystem, screen, sound, etc, are just not good enough to replace my iPad. Frankly, I just don't see anything that can really compete with the iPad, which sucks, because I feel like Apple continues to underestimate what the iPad could be. (It should be more like a mac and not like a phone. The hardware can do this, the software can not.)

... but anyhow, the DC-1 makes me excited to be able to, say, go to the park and read and note a design doc. Etc. Like, this device could be a lifestyle changer... when it's nice out. Or it might be a device I read documents on and take notes on the iPad. This is a second use case I'm just starting to figure out.

So I'm going to keep onto mine, and I'm optimistic and excited. But it's early.

Re: Thoughts on Daylight Computer

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I have one of these and I'm just about ready to give it away. The problem is it doesn't fit a use case that I don't have better solutions for. I've found that writing on the screen makes me prefer paper; reading on the screen makes me prefer books. I wanted to like the DC-1 but every time I use it something feels off. Maybe that's partly because I don't enjoy the Android experience.

Interesting; the reason I wanted one was specifically because I wanted to have an Android e-ink reader so that I could use the O'Reilly Learning app with an e-ink screen. The Kindle Fire screen is "fine", but the e-paper stuff always was nicer for me to read off of. I can't read my own handwriting anymore, so "real" paper is out of the question for me.

Also keep in mind that the Daylight doesn't have an e-ink screen like a Kindle. It is instead a grayscale transflective LCD. That is why it is able to have a high refresh rate like other LCD panels.

Re: Thoughts on Daylight Computer

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One thing about the DC-1 that this piece doesn't mention is the graininess of the display. It's not resolution-related... on a pure white background the display looks slightly speckled, like it has some film grain. I find this impairs readability of small text. (Matte and nano texture displays on many devices often have some degree of graininess on pure white, but it's more prominent on the DC-1 than I'm used to.) Pe…

That's likely the textured layer for the pen feel/grippiness. It's fine on most e-ink devices I've tested.

Re: Thoughts on Daylight Computer

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I have one of these and I'm just about ready to give it away. The problem is it doesn't fit a use case that I don't have better solutions for. I've found that writing on the screen makes me prefer paper; reading on the screen makes me prefer books. I wanted to like the DC-1 but every time I use it something feels off. Maybe that's partly because I don't enjoy the Android experience.

Well, I'm quite happy with the Supernote Nomad, but will gladly take the DC-1 off your hands if you want to because I would love a screen with faster refresh to run Obsidian locally :)
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