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Re: The History of S.u.S.E

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Post by kergonath »

darkwater wrote: post #44
mdip wrote: post #7

I've been a user of openSUSE since "openSUSE", nearly. It's my daily driver, today. I want to say I was playing with Mandrake, Red Hat and a little Gentoo at the time. I started using it regularly around 2010ish - I was working at a Windows shop and had a pretty elaborate home lab with Windows servers and domain controllers so I could do things at home "before trying that on corporate." I remember the deciding factor…

> I want to say I was playing with Mandrake, Red Hat and a little Gentoo at the time. I don't know when you started playing with all of these and for how long, so it can be absolutely how you said (in the end, it's your own life!) but chances are you mostly used Mandriva, since the Mandrake name disappeared in 2005.

I can’t all for the parent obviously, but my experience is similar and I was using Red Hat and Mandrake around 1999.

Re: The History of S.u.S.E

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Post by opan »

tombert wrote: post #90
plagiarist wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the problems that systemd is "solving" is a large part of what we dislike, I think. So, no, of course we wouldn't have a replacement software. My recent experience was trying out Fedora atomic. I love that idea. I found systemd is kinda nice for service management. But still, I kept running into issues with it spreading into everywhere, doing its own thing, and difficulty working around it. Partially figuring out…

I think Gentoo explicitly does not do systemd, might be worth it to look at that if you want to avoid systemd, considering that I think the "official" stance of Arch is systemd. There's also SixOS coming soon ( https://events.ccc.de/congress/2024/hub/de/event/sixos-a-nix... ). NixOS does kind of a similar atomic thing, so you might enjoy that, but vanilla NixOS is systemd based, so once SixOS drops you might get exac…

Gentoo can do systemd or OpenRC, but I think systemd is default. I would recommend Guix System if you don't want systemd, as it uses GNU Shepherd instead.

Re: The History of S.u.S.E

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Post by BSDobelix »

psankar wrote: post #77

I worked there for a few years during the Novell/Attachmate management. They had a strong bias towards the kernel teams and engineers. They had an european work culture and some very good leads. Their Engineers were very good. The internal mailing lists were ripe with technical discussions. Got some amazing friends and inspirational engineers with whom I would love to work again. However, There were infighting betwee…

> and heavy thumbs down for the Management, is how I remember my time there.

This is exactly what is reflected to the public with their flappy and sloppy unpredictability of product lines (openSUSE that is).

LEAP is beta/rc for Enterprise -> LEAP is now based ON Enterprise -> LEAP will be canned for NEW thing just Tumbleweed for community in the future -> Nothing about new thing but new LEAP are still published -> Community still wants something like LEAP, creates Slow-roll Tumbleweed in fear of SUSE still canning LEAP...maybe? -> Now, no news about EOL of LEAP, no "new thing", but Slow-Roll for Tumbleweed...what a Clown-show...

SUSE/openSUSE you are terrible in messaging, like chickens on meth with a new brain-fart every two month.

Nothing against the Dev's but the C-suite and Marketing should probably be replaced, those ping-pong announcements is the opposite from what someone wants from a Distro.

Really openSUSE why should anyone use LEAP for a professional project if there is a really big chance that in 3-4 years a complete re-installation/migration is needed? Or is it not? I don't know, also pretty sure you don't know too. So fck it i use Debian/Ubuntu/FreeBSD or Slackware hell even Oracle-Linux, literary anything else is more predictable longterm.

You guys have no technical problems but a trust and communication one.

Re: The History of S.u.S.E

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Post by tombert »

opan wrote: post #102
tombert wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Gentoo explicitly does not do systemd, might be worth it to look at that if you want to avoid systemd, considering that I think the "official" stance of Arch is systemd. There's also SixOS coming soon ( https://events.ccc.de/congress/2024/hub/de/event/sixos-a-nix... ). NixOS does kind of a similar atomic thing, so you might enjoy that, but vanilla NixOS is systemd based, so once SixOS drops you might get exac…

Gentoo can do systemd or OpenRC, but I think systemd is default. I would recommend Guix System if you don't want systemd, as it uses GNU Shepherd instead.

I'd be mostly concerned with package selection with Guix System. Don't you have to go out of your way to install anything proprietary on there? Also doesn't it use a Linux kernel without any blobs? I would think that drivers could be an issue.

Re: The History of S.u.S.E

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Post by jasoneckert »

dmacvicar wrote: post #12

I worked there for more than a decade, and I can never highlight enough: - How great the place was for those involved in the open-source ecosystem - How great Novell and Attachmate were as owners The company had, like many others, good and tough times, but the people were very passionate about it. I will never stop feeling lucky for it being part of me for so many years.

I agree that Novell was great for SUSE back in the day.

I co-wrote 6 academic textbooks with Novell on SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop and SUSE Linux Enterprise Server for Thompson / Course Technology, and I have fond memories of the whole team at Novell during that time.

Each time I was asked to write another textbook for Novell on SUSE, the publisher used YaST (Yet another SUSE Textbook) in the subject line of the email.

Oh, and yes, SUSE is a great distro!

Re: The History of S.u.S.E

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Post by Zardoz84 »

nezirus wrote: post #41

SuSE was my first Linux system and it helped a lot to spark my interest. Yast (software manager) and SaX (XFree86 configuration tool) were a Godsend for a noob like me in 199x. It's still solid today, and I hold it in high regards, even if I moved to greener Linux pastures.

SuSE 5.1 (only a light version that came with a magazine) and 5.3 was the first linux distro that I really liked. YaST was really great to install anything from the 6 cdroms. I have yet the copy.

Re: The History of S.u.S.E

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Post by plagiarist »

tombert wrote: post #90
plagiarist wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the problems that systemd is "solving" is a large part of what we dislike, I think. So, no, of course we wouldn't have a replacement software. My recent experience was trying out Fedora atomic. I love that idea. I found systemd is kinda nice for service management. But still, I kept running into issues with it spreading into everywhere, doing its own thing, and difficulty working around it. Partially figuring out…

I think Gentoo explicitly does not do systemd, might be worth it to look at that if you want to avoid systemd, considering that I think the "official" stance of Arch is systemd. There's also SixOS coming soon ( https://events.ccc.de/congress/2024/hub/de/event/sixos-a-nix... ). NixOS does kind of a similar atomic thing, so you might enjoy that, but vanilla NixOS is systemd based, so once SixOS drops you might get exac…

Arch does have systemd by default, but there seem to be options to do an install without. Probably a lot of struggle down that road for a desktop environment though.

I saw some of that SixOS and I am really interested. There was an "ownerboot" tool they linked to that also looked nice to me.

Re: The History of S.u.S.E

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Post by dessimus »

BSDobelix wrote: post #100
The_Colonel wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or like MicroSoft - Microcomputer Software.

Microsoft is a least correct but: OpenAI = Not Open IBM = International Business Machines with NON international character encoding (EBCDIC). Oracle = NOT what you want from a database nor from a CIA project ;)

TBF, the Computing Tabulating Recording Company became IBM in the 1920's when they were selling punch card machines to businesses and governments around the world, including the Nazis thru their German subsidiary, Hollerith.
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