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Re: EU to mobilize 200B Euros to invest in AI

#101

Post by mopsi »

ossobuco wrote: post #99
mopsi wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russia has never shown hostility to EU In some parallel reality, perhaps it's so. In this world, Russia has been remarkably hostile for a very long time, to the point where the entire 1300 km border between Finland and Russia - except for one crossing for freight trains - remains closed since 2023, because Russia ferried migrants from the Middle East and Africa to the Artic circle and forced them to cross the borde…

> desecration of memorial sites in Latvia Oh, you mean the monument to nazi collaborators? All of this happened after the EU started sending weapons to Ukraine for the purpose of killing Russians, sanctioning Russia heavily, freezed $300 billions in assets, not to mention the destruction of northstream 2. Reciprocal hostility is perfectly normal. None of these actions is severe enough that we can't establish friendly…

> Oh, you mean the monument to nazi collaborators?

No. But name-calling everything a "nazi" does not surprise me one bit. To hardcore Russian nationalists, the mere existence of Latvian nation and state is "nazism". Since they were kicked out in the early 1990s, they've promised to return, murder everyone who opposes them, root out Latvian people and culture, and make Latvia theirs. Such revenge fantasies have been a common theme on Russian state media for decades.

> All of this happened after the EU started sending weapons to Ukraine for the purpose of killing Russians, sanctioning Russia heavily, freezed $300 billions in assets, not to mention the destruction of northstream 2. Reciprocal hostility is perfectly normal.

I expected you to say this - as an indication that you don't know what you are talking about.

The hybrid attack against Poland started in 2021, a year before the latest Russian invasion of Ukraine and everything that followed it. The long chain of such hostile border violations, including extreme examples such as the attacks on Lithuanian border guards and their execution[1], goes back to early 1990s.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_OMON_assaults_on_Lithua...

Re: EU to mobilize 200B Euros to invest in AI

#102

Post by bloomingkales »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #88
bloomingkales wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most normal people don't think of the Nazi atrocities at every decision they make in life, most people think about the problems we have right now. I don't want to get too Hitler ad reductio, but that's probably what the Nazis thought too. It hasn't even been a 100 years since this all happened man. It's only sociopaths that constantly play up the past is the past nonsense. There's an incredible bravado to it. It's no…

> that's probably what the Nazis thought too Nazis though about a lot of things, like investing in infrastructure. Is everyone who invests in infrastructure now a concern because they're doing something the Nazis did? People who can't critically think and dethatch the actions from the group and resort to blindly putting people into boxes based on superficial things taken out of context are unwell. > It's only sociopa…

”while it's the sociopaths that constantly want people to live with the guilt of the original sin because that's easy emotional manipulation for the masses to push them towards an agenda”

Why don’t you just literally say you don’t share the same values as Christ!

Pretty sure that was his whole game. I really thought this needed its own reply, because Christ just literally showed up in your post. Like, the literal inverse of him. It’s not your fault, the world is possessed lately.

I have a theory that the Great Pyramids were not some incredible technological advancement. Rather, it was God’s punishment for man’s perverted pursuit of stacking rocks on top of rocks toward the sky, like a beaver. He had them slavishly stack the rocks to the top, for nothing. To this day the other beavers don’t know what it was for, but that’s literally the lesson. Don’t do stuff like that (building pyramids) because it’s a waste of a life.

Everything is perspective, I agree. You cannot forget our sins just because time has passed. You can remember it in a more comfortable way if you want. For example, I’m sure it’s more comfortable talking to me about it online (versus, in church? At work?). Regardless, we are doing the meditation and that’s key.

In fact, I spent an hour or so reflecting on your reply. I’m positive I saw the world’s richest man , unelected, purchased the White House and address the public yesterday. And then I come here to be told I’m an obsessive of the past, with the signature tone of a literal (I mean literal, define anti, and define Christ), literal anti christ slogans. Just a pure outright rejection of Christ and tacit apology for Nazism.

This is not a hard retort by for me at all. Your post is so filthy I may take a walk past a nearby Church, and I’m not trying to insult you. I am literally looking for a sign from the Universe that everything is okay, and that there is less of your type of heart than I’m imagining (anything god, show me a butterfly or something).

Re: EU to mobilize 200B Euros to invest in AI

#103

Post by FirmwareBurner »

bloomingkales wrote: post #102
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that's probably what the Nazis thought too Nazis though about a lot of things, like investing in infrastructure. Is everyone who invests in infrastructure now a concern because they're doing something the Nazis did? People who can't critically think and dethatch the actions from the group and resort to blindly putting people into boxes based on superficial things taken out of context are unwell. > It's only sociopa…

”while it's the sociopaths that constantly want people to live with the guilt of the original sin because that's easy emotional manipulation for the masses to push them towards an agenda” Why don’t you just literally say you don’t share the same values as Christ! Pretty sure that was his whole game. I really thought this needed its own reply, because Christ just literally showed up in your post. Like, the literal inv…

Please seek medical help from a specialist. That's a physiatrist, not a psychologist.

Re: EU to mobilize 200B Euros to invest in AI

#104

Post by ossobuco »

mopsi wrote: post #101
ossobuco wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> desecration of memorial sites in Latvia Oh, you mean the monument to nazi collaborators? All of this happened after the EU started sending weapons to Ukraine for the purpose of killing Russians, sanctioning Russia heavily, freezed $300 billions in assets, not to mention the destruction of northstream 2. Reciprocal hostility is perfectly normal. None of these actions is severe enough that we can't establish friendly…

> Oh, you mean the monument to nazi collaborators? No. But name-calling everything a "nazi" does not surprise me one bit. To hardcore Russian nationalists, the mere existence of Latvian nation and state is "nazism". Since they were kicked out in the early 1990s, they've promised to return, murder everyone who opposes them, root out Latvian people and culture, and make Latvia theirs. Such revenge fantasies have been a…

> No. But name-calling everything a "nazi" does not surprise me one bit...

They were literally fighting together with the Germans against the USSR. Learn your history before making audacious claims.

For your other points, sorry but you don't get to escalate the conversation with new arguments without first answering to all of mine.

BTW 2021 is 7 years after the western backed coup (maidan). Hostilities had been going on for a while.

Re: EU to mobilize 200B Euros to invest in AI

#105

Post by rad_gruchalski »

ossobuco wrote: post #99
mopsi wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russia has never shown hostility to EU In some parallel reality, perhaps it's so. In this world, Russia has been remarkably hostile for a very long time, to the point where the entire 1300 km border between Finland and Russia - except for one crossing for freight trains - remains closed since 2023, because Russia ferried migrants from the Middle East and Africa to the Artic circle and forced them to cross the borde…

> desecration of memorial sites in Latvia Oh, you mean the monument to nazi collaborators? All of this happened after the EU started sending weapons to Ukraine for the purpose of killing Russians, sanctioning Russia heavily, freezed $300 billions in assets, not to mention the destruction of northstream 2. Reciprocal hostility is perfectly normal. None of these actions is severe enough that we can't establish friendly…

Let’s not make stuff up. First of all, it’s Russia who invaded Ukraine, not the other way around, regardless of the reasons. Hitler also had „reasons”. Weapons are sent to Ukraine so Ukraine can defend itself against the invasion. That Russians are killed from these weapons, duh… that Russians are attacked in some parts of Russia… duh. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Second, it’s not clear who destroyed NS2. It could have been Russia, Ukraine, or the US. Everyone has different theories but there’s no smoking gun pointing at anyone.

You have been already told that but the hybrid war on Polish-Belarusian border started in 2021. Today they’re fighting a war with troops from North Korea.

Russia is the only remaining nation on the Eurasian plate stuck mentally in the WW2 phase and crying out loud that the job hasn’t been finished in 1945. And I agree with this statement… Allies should have finished the job by going forward with Operation Unthinkable. We’d all save ourselves decades of struggles on this continent.

Re: EU to mobilize 200B Euros to invest in AI

#106

Post by ossobuco »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #105
ossobuco wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> desecration of memorial sites in Latvia Oh, you mean the monument to nazi collaborators? All of this happened after the EU started sending weapons to Ukraine for the purpose of killing Russians, sanctioning Russia heavily, freezed $300 billions in assets, not to mention the destruction of northstream 2. Reciprocal hostility is perfectly normal. None of these actions is severe enough that we can't establish friendly…

Let’s not make stuff up. First of all, it’s Russia who invaded Ukraine, not the other way around, regardless of the reasons. Hitler also had „reasons”. Weapons are sent to Ukraine so Ukraine can defend itself against the invasion. That Russians are killed from these weapons, duh… that Russians are attacked in some parts of Russia… duh. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Second, it’s not clear who destroyed NS2. It…

> Let’s not make shit up

Calm your horses.

> First of all, it’s Russia who invaded Ukraine, not the other way around.

Yes, and we couped Ukraine before that.

> Weapons are sent to Ukraine so Ukraine can defend itself against the invasion. That Russians are killed from these weapons, duh…

You seem to be conveniently forgetting the fact that Ukraine was neither in EU nor NATO, nor in any military alliance with a western country. Thus sending weapons to Ukraine is a direct act of hostility to Russia.

Imagine what would've happened if Russia aided Afghanistan or Iraq with weapons and intelligence when the US invaded. Be intellectually honest.

Re: EU to mobilize 200B Euros to invest in AI

#107

Post by rad_gruchalski »

ossobuco wrote: post #104
mopsi wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oh, you mean the monument to nazi collaborators? No. But name-calling everything a "nazi" does not surprise me one bit. To hardcore Russian nationalists, the mere existence of Latvian nation and state is "nazism". Since they were kicked out in the early 1990s, they've promised to return, murder everyone who opposes them, root out Latvian people and culture, and make Latvia theirs. Such revenge fantasies have been a…

> No. But name-calling everything a "nazi" does not surprise me one bit... They were literally fighting together with the Germans against the USSR. Learn your history before making audacious claims. For your other points, sorry but you don't get to escalate the conversation with new arguments without first answering to all of mine. BTW 2021 is 7 years after the western backed coup (maidan). Hostilities had been going…

Dude, you are literally upset, and I’m just paraphrasing what you said) about Western „coup” (as you refer to Maidan) spoiling Russian coup (installing a puppet leader to drag Ukraine away from EU). Who are you, a Russian agent?

Re: EU to mobilize 200B Euros to invest in AI

#108

Post by gizmo »

tmnvdb wrote: post #90
gizmo wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. There is no shortage of startup capital in Europe. European VC funding is almost half of US venture funding. Startup funding in Europe just doesn't produce big winners. 2. There are moderately profitable companies in Europe, and most of them were founded 40 years ago. With regard to the data I think you've got cause and effect reversed. The capital market is smaller because EU startups get out-competed badly. Star…

Those are fair points but I think there are some important details that are missing. 1. There is no European VC market. This is important. When people talk about EU VC funding they are just adding together national numbers. In reality EU countries have seperate capital markets with different rules serving seperate national markets - when it comes to services there is no single market. This means none of the European…

1. I broadly agree with your points, especially with your points on the regulatory burden. I also agree that it's much harder to win a fractured EU market than a single market. Here we can point to US startups that struggle to win individual markets in the EU despite having already won in the US. The most striking difference I see is how badly US founders want to win. When a EU founder makes a few million they think they've hit the jackpot. The EU founder will take the early exit almost every time. EU founders are unwilling to do what it takes to scale up. I'm generalizing for clarity here, but I think this broad difference in mentality is key.

2. Apple made 35 billion last quarter. The best EU tech companies make maybe 3 billion. A 10x difference. European tech is nowhere to be seen on this list: https://www.financecharts.com/screener/most-profitable. There are no EU winners of any vintage on the global stage. It's true that Europe's large cap businesses do about as well as their US counterparts, but mega caps don't exist. Is it fair to compare Europe's biggest winners to the runner-ups in the US?

Re: EU to mobilize 200B Euros to invest in AI

#109

Post by ossobuco »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #107
ossobuco wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No. But name-calling everything a "nazi" does not surprise me one bit... They were literally fighting together with the Germans against the USSR. Learn your history before making audacious claims. For your other points, sorry but you don't get to escalate the conversation with new arguments without first answering to all of mine. BTW 2021 is 7 years after the western backed coup (maidan). Hostilities had been going…

Dude, you are literally upset, and I’m just paraphrasing what you said) about Western „coup” (as you refer to Maidan) spoiling Russian coup (installing a puppet leader to drag Ukraine away from EU). Who are you, a Russian agent?

Let's not make shit up. Yanukovich was democratically elected.

I am very upset btw, as this kind of idiotic and aggressive foreign policy we pursued brought us closer than ever to WWIII, caused millions of unnecessary deaths, worsened our (Europeans) quality of life, damaged our industry, put us in a very vulnerable geopolitical position, etc.

> Who are you, a Russian agent?

The more you speak, the more you sound like a fascist.

Re: EU to mobilize 200B Euros to invest in AI

#110

Post by rad_gruchalski »

ossobuco wrote: post #109
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude, you are literally upset, and I’m just paraphrasing what you said) about Western „coup” (as you refer to Maidan) spoiling Russian coup (installing a puppet leader to drag Ukraine away from EU). Who are you, a Russian agent?

Let's not make shit up. Yanukovich was democratically elected. I am very upset btw, as this kind of idiotic and aggressive foreign policy we pursued brought us closer than ever to WWIII, caused millions of unnecessary deaths, worsened our (Europeans) quality of life, damaged our industry, put us in a very vulnerable geopolitical position, etc. > Who are you, a Russian agent? The more you speak, the more you sound lik…

Yes yes call me names.

> Yanukovich was democratically elected.

Putin and Lukashenko are also „democratically elected”.

I am not going to attempt discussing the rest of your argument. You repeat the after Trump that millions of people died (a lot of people died but „millions” if factually incorrect), you blame the problems of EU on EU not going to bed with a dictator… and you’re upset with EU not bending to a dictator. I’m out of this discussion with you.

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