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Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

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Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

#101

Maybe its just a function of growing up during the transition of physical software to advert/subscription software, but i love the advertising model. What google has done for the web; youtube, maps, gmail/gsuite, chromium/v8 are fantastic products that cost huge sums to develop, and the world gets to use them for free. Thats amazing. Its a huge gift to society that the a fantastic knowledge and productivity suite is…

> Maybe its just a function of growing up during the transition of physical software to advert/subscription software, but I love the advertising model.

I also have been around a while, but I am the opposite opinion as yourself, mainly because I really appreciate actually owning something that I don't need to pay to continue to consume like Media which is a good example.

> I have a lot more of a problem with infinite scroll & algorithmic content delivery than advertising

This is basically the same thing as the advertising models that are being used except the advertising is a bit more nefarious (IMO) into manipulating you into feeling like you have to buy something, gamble a little bit or whatever it is just to remove money from your wallet to them.

The products you mention are obviously great for society, this isn't for debate I think, but it's how these services are monetized, which they should be 100% but there is a disgusting extreme in play these days to my eyes.

In the same service based ecconomy, I am okay with paying for Kagi for example, pay as you use without (hopefully) my data being sold to the highest bidder.

There are better models possible then the one we have, I think that's somethign that should be explored.

Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

#102
post #9

It's weird. Everybody finds ads obnoxious (at least some of the time), yet it's allowed and not only that, it's proliferated in recent years. You'd think something universally disliked would be legislated away. I wish more people would realize the root cause of all this spying is advertising. Simply banning advertising would get rid of all this shit more effectively and with less overreach and compliance headaches th…

>Everybody finds ads obnoxious (at least some of the time)

In my experience most people actually don't, and any anti-advertising strategy has to come to grips with this fact. For example I really can't stand radio ads so when I'm in the car with somebody and the radio starts playing ads I will ask if they can turn it off. Usually they will be pretty surprised, ask "why" etc. I think many people are genuinely able to "tune it out" and not be annoyed by ads.

Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

#103

Maybe its just a function of growing up during the transition of physical software to advert/subscription software, but i love the advertising model. What google has done for the web; youtube, maps, gmail/gsuite, chromium/v8 are fantastic products that cost huge sums to develop, and the world gets to use them for free. Thats amazing. Its a huge gift to society that the a fantastic knowledge and productivity suite is…

These are good. But I think there is a tipping point where the asymmetry of power (millions invested in databases, information gathering, algorithm development, etc.) pushes against the tiny power an individual has. There is no agent on the individual's side that has power (time, money, smarts) enough to counter the onslaught. It's a problem of degrees.

Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

#105
post #75

So I'm not the only one that feels sick thinking about how people "watching the Superbowl" are essentially watching ads with a sprinkle of "foot"ball.

I watched a bit of "the Superbowl" once and it made me feel the same way about using the unfiltered web: I can't believe anyone watches this without adblock. Then I slowly started to realise the NPCs in Idiocracy/Wall-E aren't actually fictional...

Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

#106

Most of the arguments made are not about "advertising" per se, but the methods that SOME forms of advertising take and other methods (data mining, phishing, scams) that are either not advertising or are things that are already regulated/illegal but which enforcement actions against are low/non-existent. In the book "Fire in the Valley" about the development and early days of the internet there is a great deal of disc…

How do we know if "this level of speed and content online" is net good?

We know that most of the content is crap.

Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

#107
From a personal perspective, my view on ads has done a complete 180 over the past decade. 10 years ago, I was massively in favor of ads: they were a nice way to indirectly show support to those who produced high quality content. And while I acknowledge that cloud providers have astronomical costs associated with the ability to provide so much data on request instantly, at this point the internet is borderline unusable without a hyper aggressive ad blockers - both on browser level and DNS level. Everything in the article is completely true. Especially the common characteristics: take any video for instance. I'm perfectly fine with watching a 5 second ad or endure a few banners. But much like untreated cancer, those minutes spread to the point where the vital functions get cluttered with crap. Even with the browser based ad blockers, pihole blocks almost 10% of requests. Sure, some of them are trackers, some of them are services owned by comrade elon musk which I've blacklisted but a large chunk are still ads.

Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

#108

Maybe its just a function of growing up during the transition of physical software to advert/subscription software, but i love the advertising model. What google has done for the web; youtube, maps, gmail/gsuite, chromium/v8 are fantastic products that cost huge sums to develop, and the world gets to use them for free. Thats amazing. Its a huge gift to society that the a fantastic knowledge and productivity suite is…

> I have a lot more of a problem with infinite scroll & algorithmic content delivery than advertising.

When it's done well, I agree with this sentiment, but the vast, vast majority of online advertising is done terribly. It almost always has a negative impact on my use of the hosting site.

Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

#109

“any effort you spent on advertising serves primarily to counteract the combined advertising efforts of your competitors. The same results could be achieved if every market player limited themselves to just informing customers about their goods and services“ This is a really shallow view of advertising, most of the time you don’t know who is your competitor and you don’t know all the possible ways that you can inform…

> and you don’t fully know what your customer wants.

This is very true.

However, as Facebook ads are showing me both dick pills and boob surgery offers, and legal advice for giving up a citizenship I don't have (and even then only available in a country I don't live in), and foreign government announcements that a breed of dog I've never heard of is now banned in that country…

I'm not convinced that this is in any sense "solved" by the huge quantity of surveillance that even Facebook has.

I mean, these advertising profiling errors are what I'd expect in a university student project introducing AI as a concept, not a megacorp whose main monetisation strategy is selling attention to advertisers. Even a classifier itself built by an LLM ought to do better than this when using only my name and GeoIP data.

Re: Advertising Is a Cancer on Society (2019)

#110
So I was thinking about this during the super bowl last night. I'm aware that super bowl ads are higher quality than usual ads, but not by much. I didn't mind watching commercials between game time.

And it wasn't because the ads were entertaining, it's because the content was entertaining. Most YouTube content we consume is very low quality trash. In those circumstances the addition of ads becomes unbearable.

If you want to make commercials and ads tolerable produce better content.

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