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Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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AKA a wife (or other life partner)

You won't be ready for what AI is about to do to human sexuality/romantic tendencies. You think the war of the sex's is bad now? Just wait until a man or woman can literally buy a human-like android which never says no. I anticipate things like the marriage rate, partnership rates, dating rates and similar to further crater compared to where they are now. Human based marriages will be the minority by the end of the c…

I don't really see why people harp on about this "never says no" thing.

I don't think that's what people want. They want a robot/AI that loves them or agrees to the desired relationship status (girlfriend or wife), because dating and finding a partner who reciprocates your feelings is hard.

That's not the same as indulging in the most depraved fetishes. For whatever reason, there is a lot of misandry in the context of male sexuality, where it is selectively reinterpreted to be as evil as possible.

Self proclaimed anti sexbot feminists fear that men will use their companions to practice rape, so they suggested that sexbots should refuse to give consent, which paradoxically gives rise to the possibility of rape, because rape is not defined by the severity of the outcome/consequences, but by a simple yes or no "question". This is especially ridiculous in the case of affirmative consent, where unprovable positive consent must be given or it is rape nonetheless.

So back to my original point. A lot of men just want to live out a relationship with someone who loves them back, something that is in short supply these days. This is in no contradiction to regulations making AI girlfriends or robots or whatever a positive influence in a man's life. Let them be happy and they'll be productive members of society.

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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You won't be ready for what AI is about to do to human sexuality/romantic tendencies. You think the war of the sex's is bad now? Just wait until a man or woman can literally buy a human-like android which never says no. I anticipate things like the marriage rate, partnership rates, dating rates and similar to further crater compared to where they are now. Human based marriages will be the minority by the end of the c…

I don't really see why people harp on about this "never says no" thing. I don't think that's what people want. They want a robot/AI that loves them or agrees to the desired relationship status (girlfriend or wife), because dating and finding a partner who reciprocates your feelings is hard. That's not the same as indulging in the most depraved fetishes. For whatever reason, there is a lot of misandry in the context o…

if the men are being serviced by robot maids and the women have robot butlers to service them, what's left of society?

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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Good points, I appreciate the perspective! But, as someone probably on the spectrum, I still feel like the point about "NT people can't talk about facts" holds up. Like, if someone replies, "I need the money etc" why can't NTs better clarify what they mean? For example, "Okay but why this company/role/specialty" as opposed to ?" If someone lacks the self-awareness to narrow down what they're looking for in a case lik…

It's not rocket science. What is the purpose of the interview? For the company, to find out if you are a good fit for them. The questions must be interpreted in that context. That you need money is not interesting information to them, that will be true for (almost?) all other applicants too. So when they ask: 'why do you want this job?' they mean 'why do you want THIS job?' so they actually do literally say word-for-…

That's not responding to the point in my comment, which was about whether NTs are actually deft in communication about facts, as claimed.

If what you describe were the only issue, it would, at most, be a minor hiccup while the interviewer clarifies what they actually want in the answer -- i.e. are they validating that you have reasonable expectations about what you can get out of the job? Or that you have relevant qualifications? Both?[1]

If they're utterly stymied or write off the applicant on the basis of that answer, then yeah, that would validate the point that they're bad at "talking about facts!" Ditto for the other two examples, like where they interviewer refuses a chance to clarify, and leaves it open to guessing the secret desideratum.

Also, FWIW, it's kind of generous of you to discount the possibility that they're looking for indicators that you're desperate for work that they can't ask for directly.

[1] Note that another reply gives a different "obvious" interpretation, the confrontational "Why should we care?"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42990107

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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I know several autistic adults who check their outgoing messages with AI for unintentional meanings or recommendations to better communicate what they mean. Not getting the ai to write for them mind you. Social coprocessor indeed!

Do you have details? What prompts and what models?

ChatGPT has a mode where you can share your screen with it. just show it your incoming texts and ask it for help

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Chris Chan is an abusive person and has been for a very long time (before the "internet found him", he was making rape threats against girls in his highschool.) He freaks people out for good reason. It's not fair to autistic people to use Chris Chan as some sort of archetype for autism.

Why not? Being a horrible person equaling people liking you is exactly my point! He famously now has a finnish girlfriend (Flutter) who is much more attractive than him. This has lead to hilarious 4chan threads where the incels of 4chan lament at how CHRIS CHAN is getting laid and they aren't. Chris Chan and flutter are having children! Chris Chan will have a legacy, and this is mere months after having possibly risk…

Your initial arguments are interesting, but I don't think any interpretation of the old or new testaments would allow for conflating a society and what it rewards with the will of their "God". Sodom and Gomorrah would be the most obvious example of a situation where dark personalities must have done well only to end up grouped in a fast track damnation.

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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OP's article is about children, yours is about adults. OP's article's conclusion states "Furthermore, our study highlights the importance of studying neurodevelopmental disorders closer to their onset, rather than in adulthood when a lifetime of compensatory mechanisms may have already taken place" As I understand, autistic people often get negative reinforcement from authoritarian mindsets of society (follow the gen…

One of the lessons that I would hope that the world learns from the rise of the radical right world-wide is that platitudes about universalism, egalitarianism, empathy, and basically everything that the Baha'i faith teaches makes people hate you and want to kill you. This has been true historically (see treatment of Baha`i faith by like everyone) and is true today. These platitudes that you and the Baha`i faith (and…

I would say "Happy dappy dumbp dipshits" is not what I get from the Baha'i ideals

Some people are born leaders, thats their inherent personality tendencies. Often they are psychopathic, which is a congential thing, and hence not their fault in any ways. Rather, just like anyone else, they are also mines rich in gems of inestimable value

So how can you get someone like Stalin or whatnot, who can mesmerize the populace, make brave, bold and rational decisions in the face intense crisis, but at the same time help them somehow understand and internalize foundational principles of justice and equity so that their strengths can be manifest without tormenting people and thereby extinguishing so much human potential?

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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I am not an expert in any way, shape or form but I wonder how this squares with this other journal article in Nature: Molecular Psychiatry which came out in 2024? "11C-UCB-J PET imaging is consistent with lower synaptic density in autistic adults" https://doi.org/10.1038/s41380-024-02776-2 Edited to add title of the article

OP's article is about children, yours is about adults. OP's article's conclusion states "Furthermore, our study highlights the importance of studying neurodevelopmental disorders closer to their onset, rather than in adulthood when a lifetime of compensatory mechanisms may have already taken place" As I understand, autistic people often get negative reinforcement from authoritarian mindsets of society (follow the gen…

> OP's article is about children, yours is about adults.

Studies on biological causes of ASD are notorious for failing to replicate and reaching contradictory conclusions. It is just as likely that you’d reach the opposite conclusion with children too

Because “ASD” isn’t really a thing, it is a whole bunch of different things with different causes and different symptoms semi-arbitrarily squished together under the one label, simply because those symptoms have some overlap. And every research sample is a random mixture of these different underlying conditions, and two different samples are unlikely to have the same mix, which is why studies of the same thing with different samples (even defined on the same criteria) frequently produce opposite conclusions. “Heterogeneity” is the technical term for this

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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OP's article is about children, yours is about adults. OP's article's conclusion states "Furthermore, our study highlights the importance of studying neurodevelopmental disorders closer to their onset, rather than in adulthood when a lifetime of compensatory mechanisms may have already taken place" As I understand, autistic people often get negative reinforcement from authoritarian mindsets of society (follow the gen…

One of the lessons that I would hope that the world learns from the rise of the radical right world-wide is that platitudes about universalism, egalitarianism, empathy, and basically everything that the Baha'i faith teaches makes people hate you and want to kill you. This has been true historically (see treatment of Baha`i faith by like everyone) and is true today. These platitudes that you and the Baha`i faith (and…

> a chris-chan tier autistic person

I think a lot of Chris-Chan’s issues aren’t due to autistic traits in themselves, they are due to being surrounded by a subculture of stalkers obsessed with doing all in their power to make those issues worse

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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What if growing bigger, more connected brains is the next evolutionary step? Doesn't seem entirely unreasonable to me.

> Doesn't seem entirely unreasonable to me.

It does to me, sounds like Lamarckian confusion, not evolution.

Re: Brain Hyperconnectivity in Children with Autism and Its Links to Social Deficits (2013)

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> when you get asked why you did apply. What they're really asking, translated to "blunt and frank communication" mode is: "Why should we even care that you applied?" Then saying "hey, I need money for blah whatever" is non-responsive, but you can just talk about why you think you might be a good fit for them after all. Much of this stuff is just cultural anyway. There are Western societies where being "blunt and fra…

> What they're really asking, translated to "blunt and frank communication" mode is: "Why should we even care that you applied?" Then saying "hey, I need money for blah whatever" is non-responsive, but you can just talk about why you think you might be a good fit for them after all. Yes, and that's exactly what's confusing to people like me who have autism; the question being asked isn't actually the question that th…

From the comments I read, you just like rest of bunch are going in the wrong direction by thinking that you have to learn something from others, which logically in your argumentation point to a deficit compared to others, which is very wrong direction. Quite the opposite - autistic people are capable to learn behavior to adapt to others and many are very good at that, but NT would struggle to achieve talent levels of autistic people - they simply have no ability to learn to achieve that level. Also, you seem to be missing the main issue here - autistic people have issues not only understanding NT, but there are more issues understanding other autistic people at which autistic people seem to fail spectacularly(also for the logical flow reasons, the previous sentence would not have sounded as good, but exactly the same struggles for NT are affecting other autistic people achieving talents of other people they can't achieve). The harassment that I am receiving from NT people is rarer than what I would receive from autistic people and I can assure you that by classifying harassment that I would receive, autistic people would pretty much fall under the cathegory of plain stupid at that and I would think that the same observation would be from other autistic people towards me, pretty much because they are trying to limit their responses to what they know or have been thaught without thinking outside of the box on their own.

The issue with communication is not that it is something that is unique to humans, but it is how all the animals are functioning. Other animals are more specialized and their brains are attuned to that specialized behaviour. Autistic peacock that would not understand the requirement for flashy tail would essentially have change in brains that would make it a different peacock species. There are even more trivial differences - fishes that specialize in eating different foods would evolve into different species that would not crossbreed(mostly because they would also evolve different mating rituals). However with humans it is different - while we do not differ on genetical level to be classified as different species, the difference in cultural norms and ceremonial behaviour would make us different species but we can shift and adapt to different cultural environments, so this is something that does not effect us so much, though it still occupies a very large space in our brains.

Anyway, if we are returning to the topic of job interviews, then it has nothing to do with answering the questions correctly - the issue is mainly how would you get along(at least that is what I can extrapolate from successful interviews being in both sides of table). That also applies to other communication fields - generally my understanding with communication failures with other people has come to conclusion that we would not be getting along anyway and the tolerance level from me is not so high and subconciously or even consciously I was the one that was showing disrespect to other person. And that applies to communication between autistic people even more. There is no need to learn answers to these questions at all - if you want to get that route, you are going to set yourself for a failure, because learning questions and how to behave changes rapidly not only among differnt cultures(in a global village that is impossible task), but also among generations... and in the end you need to grow your own backbone, because adapting to virtue signaling(which basically is what society consists) is not how it is done, as you can't run across savanna in a zebra flock avoiding lions all your life. At the end you want for other people to adapt to you or at least acknowledge from hyenas that you are an elephant that wants to eat grass and enjoy the company of other elephants. And at the end we are humans and humans even more than other species want to change environment around us - if you are trying to adapt only, including to other humans, this is going to be a constant failure. Then again, this might not apply to everyone - my struggles are trying to dominate over other people obviously and I have not even decided if that is really something I require.

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