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Announcing the data.gov archive

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Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by tomrod »

zombot wrote: post #19
black_puppydog wrote: post #5

Great to see there's some resistance. What I'm missing from this announcement though is any mention of how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government. I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. And from what I can see, the archive is hosted by US entities on US-controlled servers…

> ...how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government. Yup, I was about to ask whether Trump could still force them to delete what he doesn't like. Time will tell, I guess.

Public data. License violations might cause some consternation but anything on data.gov is public and intended for the public. Deleting these are potentially legal violations requiring their publication.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by marcinzm »

dmd wrote: post #100
marcinzm wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an employer telling employees what to do? Google can tell the same thing to it's employees and does. I don't see the relevance to the government telling other entities what to do.

The employer is the US federal government, in this case.

And employees signed contracts which allow the government to tell them how to do their jobs or fire them. Just like any other employer. Harvard did not.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by koolba »

lazide wrote: post #84
koolba wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you seriously not remember Jan 6th, I remember Trump telling people at a rally to " march over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. ". I remember a minority of the people there rioting and entering the Capitol building. I remember the Biden Department of Justice mistreatment of them and the over prosecutions. And most of all I remember before the than 2024 election, Tru…

I watched Jan 6th live. If that capital guard hadn’t shot the woman, we would have been living in a dictatorship already. This entire post is just the same kind of delusion seeping everywhere in society right now. I’m not saying there isn’t bloat or plenty of crappy things that need to be addressed. But this is a deal with the devil, and it will come due. Quickly. Because like all his ‘helpers’ found out, they’re dis…

> I watched Jan 6th live. If that capital guard hadn’t shot the woman, we would have been living in a dictatorship already.

Claiming that all of western democracies hangs on the killing of an unarmed woman is one hell of a hot take.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by olafalo »

matwood wrote: post #42
bilekas wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll admit I'm not privy to US educational system etc, but isn't Harvard a private university ? Why would they be receiving significant federal funds in the first place ?

Yeah, I'm not sure what Trump could really do here. Harvard gets With that said, the current administration appears to have a war on education in general so who knows what ideas they could cook up.

Quoting Trump directly, from Agenda 47:

> Furthermore, I will direct the Department of Justice to pursue federal civil rights cases against schools that continue to engage in racial discrimination. And schools that persist in explicit unlawful discrimination under the guise of equity will not only have their endowment taxed, but through budget reconciliation, I will advance a measure to have them fined up to the entire amount of their endowment.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by lazide »

koolba wrote: post #103
lazide wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I watched Jan 6th live. If that capital guard hadn’t shot the woman, we would have been living in a dictatorship already. This entire post is just the same kind of delusion seeping everywhere in society right now. I’m not saying there isn’t bloat or plenty of crappy things that need to be addressed. But this is a deal with the devil, and it will come due. Quickly. Because like all his ‘helpers’ found out, they’re dis…

> I watched Jan 6th live. If that capital guard hadn’t shot the woman, we would have been living in a dictatorship already. Claiming that all of western democracies hangs on the killing of an unarmed woman is one hell of a hot take.

Oh that’s not what I’m claiming at all.

I’m saying it would have happened 4 years earlier.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by Teever »

marcinzm wrote: post #102
dmd wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The employer is the US federal government, in this case.

And employees signed contracts which allow the government to tell them how to do their jobs or fire them. Just like any other employer. Harvard did not.

Sure. But is it a good thing that their employer did this in this situation?

Is it a normal thing for the US government to do? Why or why not?

Do other government do this? Which ones and for what reasons?

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by beej71 »

lloeki wrote: post #94
black_puppydog wrote: post #5

Great to see there's some resistance. What I'm missing from this announcement though is any mention of how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government. I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. And from what I can see, the archive is hosted by US entities on US-controlled servers…

> What I'm missing from this announcement though is any mention of how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government. Maybe this? > In addition to the data collection, we are releasing open source software and documentation for replicating our work and creating similar repositories. With these tools, we aim not only to preserve knowledge ourselves but also to empower others to save and access the…

And 16 TB isn't what it used to be (though it is a big transfer). I'm hopeful that it's already being mirrored in multiple places including overseas.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by jppope »

Rebuff5007 wrote: post #72

I find it assuming that the might of the American government -- in trying to take a bunch of data offline -- is being resisted by a digital "militia" of hobbyist archivers and non profits. Theres something that about this that just rings second amendment. Personally I think the concept of civilians having weapons to be a check on a nation state is absurd, but in this case it feels pretty empowering.

Well I wouldn't really call it the "American Government" per say... Its a Geriatric former reality TV show host elected to the presidency by offering to do for America what he did for steak or private education. That guy and his cronies really aren't the American Government. They were just elected to be in charge of the American Government.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by dekhn »

tristor wrote: post #44
bilekas wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll admit I'm not privy to US educational system etc, but isn't Harvard a private university ? Why would they be receiving significant federal funds in the first place ?

Research grants. That said, Harvard has the largest university endowment in the world, they'd be just fine operating at their current size off their endowment proceeds effectively forever.

For a while it was controversial whether they would even allow themselves to draw from the account itself versus merely funding things from interest.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by Juliate »

Juliate wrote: post #51
Juliate wrote: post #30

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> Nobody was taken away by the Gestapo Someone forgot the "kids in cages" episodes in 2018 when Trump was only testing the waters... EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_se...

Someone didn't like to be reminded of things. :)

Wow, amazing. There _are_ people that do not want history to be documented and reminded...

For the record, my previous comments being upvoted, then largely downvoted, for a matter of facts.

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