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Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

#101

Post by throw83288 »

nickstinemates wrote: post #100
throw83288 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Effectively they have completely automated SWE job, pair programmer was just a marketing speak, real intention is clear. Frankly, this was obvious to me since the Copilot Workspace announcement. It's so hard not for me to not slide completely into nihilistic despair as a student right now. I chose wrong, and now there is nothing I can do. Day in and day out I'm talking about my projects and internships as if my ent…

If you want to thrive in this world you need to change your attitude ASAP. New tech waves happen all of the time. Embracing them is the path.

How? Seems obvious that I missed the boat on LLMs. I don't have any ideas anyway (I have only one "idea", and it's someone elses and I have no faith that it'll get me a foothold). Robotics will be solved pretty soon by 10x reasoners if this development curve continues. Everything I can "change to" has a 2 year delta and that is a 100x capability change within the AI space right now.

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

#102

Post by semi-extrinsic »

throw83288 wrote: post #94
suyash wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony doesn't end there, later in the post they say "We’re excited to share a first look at our autonomous SWE agent and how we envision these types of agents will fit into the GitHub user experience. When the product we are building under the codename Project Padawan ships later this year, it will allow you to directly assign issues to GitHub Copilot, using any of the GitHub clients, and have it produce fully te…

> Effectively they have completely automated SWE job, pair programmer was just a marketing speak, real intention is clear. Frankly, this was obvious to me since the Copilot Workspace announcement. It's so hard not for me to not slide completely into nihilistic despair as a student right now. I chose wrong, and now there is nothing I can do. Day in and day out I'm talking about my projects and internships as if my ent…

> Any "normal" engineering field will be solved with the right domain knowledge.

Oh no, don't worry. Nobody will be trusting GenAI only for Real Work like aerodynamics, structural mechanics, electromagnetics, plasma physics, you name it. For sure there will be (already is) AI-based surrogate models, fast preconditioners, superresolution methods etc. But you will for the duration of our lifetime need humans who understand both physics and programming to actually use the damn tools and ensure they are used correctly.

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

#103

Post by balls187 »

Was using Github copilot with VSCode. Found it really helpful for small things.

I gave Codium Windsurf a spin to evaluate it on an internal app built: a simple svelte-kit/typescript app ontop of Twilio. It's been on todo list to host it (on lightsail), so the suits can use it themselves.

Asked Windsurf to enhance some capabilities: adding a store library backing to dynamodb.

Windsurf's code failed to run. svelte-check reported 6 errors. I asked windsurf to fix the errors, and it did, creating 10 errors. Repeat one more time and resulted in 16 errors. If I wasn't busy, I would have seen how many errors it would get up to before I got bored. It felt like repeatedly opening a JPEG and resaving it.

Giving up on using Windsurf. Gonna try Cursor next. After that, back to Github.

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

#104

Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

ks2048 wrote: post #90

So what happens when GitHub's auto-SWE is good enough to take on "Write me a GitHub clone, but with additional features X,Y, and Z"? Will they have regret it? I know this is slightly far-fetched and AI-coders are coming regardless of if GitHub is working on it, but it does seem like these companies are destroying part of their moat (codebase and SW infrastructure). (I also realize their bigger moat is brand and exist…

If that works, they can always put more money into improving GitHub.

I see this as a technology that "lifts all boats" but like so many technologies, it does lift moneyed boats a lot further.

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

#105

Post by petercooper »

ks2048 wrote: post #90

So what happens when GitHub's auto-SWE is good enough to take on "Write me a GitHub clone, but with additional features X,Y, and Z"? Will they have regret it? I know this is slightly far-fetched and AI-coders are coming regardless of if GitHub is working on it, but it does seem like these companies are destroying part of their moat (codebase and SW infrastructure). (I also realize their bigger moat is brand and exist…

I mean, we have GitLab, Forgejo, Gitea, Sourcehut, and many others all vaguely in that space and they're not eating GitHub's breakfast. If anything, it reinforces just how wide that moat of brand, momentum, and influence/power is, and it might get even wider in an AI world.

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

#106

Post by mywittyname »

throw83288 wrote: post #94
suyash wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony doesn't end there, later in the post they say "We’re excited to share a first look at our autonomous SWE agent and how we envision these types of agents will fit into the GitHub user experience. When the product we are building under the codename Project Padawan ships later this year, it will allow you to directly assign issues to GitHub Copilot, using any of the GitHub clients, and have it produce fully te…

> Effectively they have completely automated SWE job, pair programmer was just a marketing speak, real intention is clear. Frankly, this was obvious to me since the Copilot Workspace announcement. It's so hard not for me to not slide completely into nihilistic despair as a student right now. I chose wrong, and now there is nothing I can do. Day in and day out I'm talking about my projects and internships as if my ent…

I've been in the industry long enough to have been around for a few crashes. My outlook is: this industry has always faced threats that looked like it was going to spell the end of our careers, but we always come out the other side better than ever.

I don't think LLMs are fundamentally more threatening than off shore developers were. Sure, we lost jobs during that time, but businesses realized eventually that the productivity was low and they wanted low level people who were responsible.

I think that will continue. We'll all learn to control these agents and review their code, but ultimately, someone needs to be responsible for these agents, reviewing what they produce and fixing any shitshows they produce.

I won't rule out the possibility of LLMs that are so good that they can replicate just about any app in existence in minutes. But there's still value in having workers manage infrastructure, data, etc.

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

#107

Post by throw83288 »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #102
throw83288 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Effectively they have completely automated SWE job, pair programmer was just a marketing speak, real intention is clear. Frankly, this was obvious to me since the Copilot Workspace announcement. It's so hard not for me to not slide completely into nihilistic despair as a student right now. I chose wrong, and now there is nothing I can do. Day in and day out I'm talking about my projects and internships as if my ent…

> Any "normal" engineering field will be solved with the right domain knowledge. Oh no, don't worry. Nobody will be trusting GenAI only for Real Work like aerodynamics, structural mechanics, electromagnetics, plasma physics, you name it. For sure there will be (already is) AI-based surrogate models, fast preconditioners, superresolution methods etc. But you will for the duration of our lifetime need humans who unders…

Required time to move into a regulated engineering field is 4 years. 4 years in the AI world is currently a 10^4 = 10000x capability delta. It's not like the engineering and academia curmudgeons will replace their employees as much be utterly destroyed by the AI labs hiring maybe one or two tenured professors per field to make an internal startup and then letting them oversee what the megascaled reasoners spit out at breakneck pace with a sufficiently low hallucination rate.

I really wish to be wrong here.

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

#108

Post by post-it »

throw83288 wrote: post #82
post-it wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but it doesn't look like there's been much progress on the robotics front.

Until reasoner AI 10x's research and solves it far ahead of schedule. You don't even need robotics, just a good multi-modal reasoner model with domain knowledge that you can attach to a headset manna-style [0]. The only thing that makes blue collar work different from any minimum wage labor is the System 2 reasoning required, and that'll get solved. [0] https://marshallbrain.com/manna1

Also, you know, muscle memory. The idea that you could slap a headset on a rando and just walk them through doing a trade is ludicrous. It's a great teaching tool, but you can't use it to replace a trade worker real-time.

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

#109

Post by anon3459 »

throw83288 wrote: post #101
nickstinemates wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to thrive in this world you need to change your attitude ASAP. New tech waves happen all of the time. Embracing them is the path.

How? Seems obvious that I missed the boat on LLMs. I don't have any ideas anyway (I have only one "idea", and it's someone elses and I have no faith that it'll get me a foothold). Robotics will be solved pretty soon by 10x reasoners if this development curve continues. Everything I can "change to" has a 2 year delta and that is a 100x capability change within the AI space right now.

Just use AI to learn what you want to pivot to and don’t be cry baby please

Re: GitHub Copilot: The Agent Awakens

#110

Post by magicmicah85 »

The autonomous agent stuff is what’s had me worried the past year as lots of open source projects have popped up that do similar capabilities. It’s really cool technology but it will replace humans, no matter how garbage the code quality is. I’ve seen garbage from humans, I’ve seen garbage from AI. As long as metrics are being met, business does not care how they achieve their goals.

I for one am going to welcome our new agent underlords as I’m all about self preservation.

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