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Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by heavyarms »

radeeyate wrote: post #97
behnamoh wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number one reason I don't use Google Gemini is because they truncate the input text. So I can't simply paste long documents or other kinds of things as raw text in the prompt box.

If you have the need to paste long documents, why don't you just upload the file at that point?

The last time I checked (a few days ago) it only had an "Upload Image" option... and I have been playing with Gemini on and off for months and I have never been able to actually upload an image.

It's basically what I've come to expect from most Google products at this point: half-baked, buggy, confusing, not intuitive.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by msuvakov »

Alifatisk wrote: post #75
msuvakov wrote: post #59

Gemini 2.0 works great with large context. A few hours ago, I posted a ShowHN about parsing an entire book in a single prompt. The goal was to extract characters, relationships, and descriptions that could then be used for image generation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42946317

Which Gemini model is notebooklm using atm? Have they switched yet?

Not sure. I am using models/API keys from https://aistudio.google.com. They just added new models, e.g., gemini-2.0-pro-exp-02-05. Exp models are free of charge with some daily quota depending on model.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by Xiol32 »

radeeyate wrote: post #97
behnamoh wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number one reason I don't use Google Gemini is because they truncate the input text. So I can't simply paste long documents or other kinds of things as raw text in the prompt box.

If you have the need to paste long documents, why don't you just upload the file at that point?

Friction.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by gerad »

nudpiedo wrote: post #95
singhrac wrote: post #31

What is the model I get at gemini.google.com (i.e. through my Workspace subscription)? It says "Gemini Advanced" but there are no other details. No model selection option. I find the lack of clarity very frustrating. If I want to try Google's "best" model, should I be purchasing something? AI Studio seems focused around building an LLM wrapper app, but I just want something to answer my questions. Edit: what I've lea…

Today I wasted 1 hour looking in how to use or where to find "Deep Research”. I could not. I have the business workplace standard, which contains the Gemini advance, not sure whether I need a VPN, pay a separate AI product, or even pay a higher workplace tier or what the heck is going on at all. There are so many confusing products interrelated and lack of focus everywhere that I really do not know anymore whether it…

You need to pay for Gemini to access it. In my experience, it's not worth it. So much potential in the experience, but the AI isn't good enough.

I'm curious about the OpenAI alternative, but am not willing to pay $200/month.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by dpkirchner »

raverbashing wrote: post #20
mohsen1 wrote: post #8

> available via the Gemini API in Google AI Studio and Vertex AI. > Gemini 2.0, 2.0 Pro and 2.0 Pro Experimental, Gemini 2.0 Flash, Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite 3 different ways of accessing the API, more than 5 different but extremely similarly named models. Benchmarks only comparing to their own models. Can't be more "Googley"!

Honestly naming conventions in the AI world have been appalling regardless of the company

Mistral vs mistral.rs, Llama and llama.cpp and ollama, groq and grok. It's all terrible.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by radeeyate »

KTibow wrote: post #83
Ninjinka wrote: post #55

Pricing is CRAZY. Audio input is $0.70 per million tokens on 2.0 Flash, $0.075 for 2.0 Flash-Lite and 1.5 Flash. For gpt-4o-mini-audio-preview, it's $10 per million tokens of audio input.

The increase is likely because 1.5 Flash was actually cheaper than all other STT services. I wrote about this a while ago at https://ktibow.github.io/blog/geminiaudio/ .

I feel that the audio interpreting aspects of the Gemini models aren't just STT. If you give it something like a song, it can give you information about it.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by miltonlost »

xnorswap wrote: post #44
pmayrgundter wrote: post #35

I tried voice chat. It's very good, except for the politics We started talking about my plans for the day, and I said I was making chili. G asked if I have a recipe or if I needed one. I said, I started with Obama's recipe many years ago and have worked on it from there. G gave me a form response that it can't talk politics. Oh, I'm not talking politics, I'm talking chili. G then repeated form response and tried to c…

I find it horrifying and dystopian that the part where it "Can't talk politics" is just accepted and your complaint is that it interrupts your ability to talk chilli. "Go back to bed America." "You are free, to do as we tell you" https://youtu.be/TNPeYflsMdg?t=143

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Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by FeepingCreature »

duxup wrote: post #88
xnorswap wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it horrifying and dystopian that the part where it "Can't talk politics" is just accepted and your complaint is that it interrupts your ability to talk chilli. "Go back to bed America." "You are free, to do as we tell you" https://youtu.be/TNPeYflsMdg?t=143

Online the idea of "no politics" is often used as a way to try to stifle / silence discussion too. It's disturbingly fitting to the Gemini example. I was a part of a nice small forum online. Most posts were everyday life posts / personal. The person who ran it seemed well meaning. Then a "no politics" rule appeared. It was fine for a while. I understood what they meant and even I only want so much outrage in my small…

To be honest, the limiting factor is often competent moderation.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by iimaginary »

simonw wrote: post #80

I upgraded my llm-gemini plugin to handle this, and shared the results of my "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle" benchmark here: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Feb/5/gemini-2/ The pricing is interesting: Gemini 2.0 Flash-Lite is 7.5c/million input tokens and 30c/million output tokens - half the price of OpenAI's GPT-4o mini (15c/60c). Gemini 2.0 Flash isn't much more: 10c/million for text/image input, 70c…

The only benchmark worth paying attention to.
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