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UK betting giant's unlawful marketing kept suicidal gambler hooked

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Re: UK betting giant's unlawful marketing kept suicidal gambler hooked

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>I always give them the same answer: no. I don't work for parasites. Feel like specifying what makes them so distinctly more parasitic than, say, a company like Google or Facebook? Both of which many people here seem to have no trouble working for.

The number of people who have lost all of their money and then killed themselves using Google and Facebook is not zero. It's a fuckton lower than the number of people who have lost all of their money and then killed themselves due to betting. The morality line for me is at an unknown and unknowable (and you'll just have to deal with that I am a human not a computer) position that is higher than Google/Facebook and lo…

Fair enough, and i'm glad you actually paused to give the question some consideration.

I'm a strong believer in people being responsible for their own actions in the face of voluntary options, and free to reject the entreaties of companies whose primary and paramount interest is their own financial benefit at your expense. Gambling companies are a near perfect example of such companies since they sell little more than transient, vapid "fun" at the risk of you completely wrecking your life, but one still can choose. (Yes I know there are also people with a tremendous psychological addiction to gambling, but it's tricky to form both rules or general moral guidelines based on a small subset)

In the case of Google and Facebook (and a few others), some sorts of genuine services are available and they can at least claim by these services to be of a different character from some betting company. However, the case of either business type, a core motivation remains extracting as much as possible from users through mendacious, manipulative means while addicting them into continually using their systems for as long and intensely as possible. In this, they're remarkably similar to your average betting company, except the currency they desire is instead of money directly, your information and attention, and as much of both as possible for as long as possible.

Re: UK betting giant's unlawful marketing kept suicidal gambler hooked

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Even if you accept those figures (and the report itself says they are underestimates), in what other industry do we allow 10% of your topline revenue to directly result in suicide and depression?

Not suicide and depression but the tobacco industry is probably similar. I wouldn’t go as far as claiming 10% but sugar is probably not very healthy for society either. And I’m not even saying that gambling is fine or should be supported, I was just sceptical of the claim that the damages exceed the income.

I think a more compelling argument is damages exceed the profit even if they don’t exceed the gross revenue.

It’s one of those things where yes people are forking over 14 billion per year, but that’s because they have 14 billion which would otherwise be spent on something else. Even just VAT on 14 billion gets close to the total tax revenue from UK gambling especially when you include other economic losses.

So where’s the benefit?

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post #32

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That was the government that was supposed to stand up 'for the poor', but allowing a predatory industry to thrive, whose main demographic are 'the poor'.

Have there been any governments in the developed world in the past 25 years that has actually stood up for the poor? I know some have said they would but it seems like their ideas are just expansion of benefits programs that don't actually help the problem or move the stats. Seems more like buying votes.

I thought of two more: Brazil and Thailand. In Brazil, Lula da Silva introduced a program to make direct payments to low income families. Thailand did similar under Thaksin Shinawatra. It is up to you if you think either of those places are developed.
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