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Re: Hoppscotch: Open source alternative to Postman / Insomnia

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Post by jenadine »

lelanthran wrote: post #95
written-beyond wrote: post #24

Without sounding like every other developer who hates on electron, I would really appreciate an http client with a Gui that was lighter, like iced or slint. I appreciate the versatility of electron and it giving us beautiful and usable apps but I have 16 GB of ram, I can't upgrade it and I genuinely have multi second hangs after I have 3 instances of VSCode, Firefox and Chrome open along with Bruno.

> Without sounding like every other developer who hates on electron, I would really appreciate an http client with a Gui that was lighter, like iced or slint. How much would you be willing to pay for such a client? I'm not being facetious, I'd really rather like to know, because as an independent developer, every single time I suggest a native application using native widgets to a client, they choose the HTML interfa…

I think you can also easily do the pretty animations in a 50mb in ram "native" application

Re: Hoppscotch: Open source alternative to Postman / Insomnia

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Post by rubymamis »

jenadine wrote: post #101
lelanthran wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Without sounding like every other developer who hates on electron, I would really appreciate an http client with a Gui that was lighter, like iced or slint. How much would you be willing to pay for such a client? I'm not being facetious, I'd really rather like to know, because as an independent developer, every single time I suggest a native application using native widgets to a client, they choose the HTML interfa…

I think you can also easily do the pretty animations in a 50mb in ram "native" application

Yes, you can, especially if you use Qt with QML like I do[1][2][3].

[1] https://rubymamistvalove.com/blog/orchids.mp4

[2] https://rubymamistvalove.com/block-editor

[3] https://www.get-notes.com/

Re: Hoppscotch: Open source alternative to Postman / Insomnia

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Post by TZubiri »

written-beyond wrote: post #24

Without sounding like every other developer who hates on electron, I would really appreciate an http client with a Gui that was lighter, like iced or slint. I appreciate the versatility of electron and it giving us beautiful and usable apps but I have 16 GB of ram, I can't upgrade it and I genuinely have multi second hangs after I have 3 instances of VSCode, Firefox and Chrome open along with Bruno.

I know it misses the sweetspot you are looking for, but have you tried curl?

Re: Hoppscotch: Open source alternative to Postman / Insomnia

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Post by TZubiri »

est wrote: post #7

Am I the only one who use CURL over such tools? I don't want a 300MB electron client doing GET/POST work, especially those with hidden telemetry on.

No, you are not the only professional among the amateurs/hobbyists.

I know that sounds offensive, but let's be real, nothing wrong with using AI to code or using a gui to learn about the underlying protocol. But it is what it is

Re: Hoppscotch: Open source alternative to Postman / Insomnia

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Post by necessary »

lelanthran wrote: post #97
necessary wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good business perspective, but I don’t really see why this couldn’t be someone’s open source passion project. The comment wasn’t really implying that they needed a paid tool, just a tool that suits their needs and is lightweight. Plenty of the software I use on a daily basis is open source software where you could argue that the economics shouldn’t have been there.

> Plenty of the software I use on a daily basis is open source software where you could argue that the economics shouldn’t have been there. Me too. But the problem with "the economics just aren't there" means that if I cannot get, just from word-of-mouth (say, a Show HN post) 100 users @ $10 once-off lifetime purchase, then this is not a product that is in demand anyway. An open-source/free product that is exactly th…

Doesn’t that depend on the buyer? I can think of several products that I would only use if free, and would go without if it was $1, $5, or $10. E.g. todo list apps, time tracker apps, budgeting apps.

I think you can argue that, if you have enough demand at $10, that you’ll have enough at $0, but I don’t see how not having demand at $10 implies that you won’t have demand at $0, since usually making something cheaper can change buyer’s minds.

Re: Hoppscotch: Open source alternative to Postman / Insomnia

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Post by klabb3 »

impulsivepuppet wrote: post #89
klabb3 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is webview a problem? I hear this a lot but not sure why (with the exception of gtk WebKit on Linux which has legit perf issues). We’re on web right now and I’ve never heard anyone complain hackernews is sluggish and that they want a native app instead (or rather 5 native apps minimum for the big OSs).

This is mostly the case because most solutions provide more than the bare minimum of DOM rendering and event binding that a web view originally entails. Once you "accidentally" ship an entire browser inside your app, you've opened up more vectors for vulnerabilities—such is the price of humanity's hubris in attempting omnipotence. Then second aspect is the "well-hidden" JS runtime or the general dislike of Javascript…

> Once you "accidentally" ship an entire browser inside your app

That’s not needed. Generally there’s a webview available on the system of choice. All major platforms have it, including mobile and many Linux distros.

> vulnerabilities

Such as? I mean yes if you load remote content with local access to FS etc (although that’s not within the webview). But you don’t need to (nor should you).

Re: Hoppscotch: Open source alternative to Postman / Insomnia

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Post by lelanthran »

necessary wrote: post #105
lelanthran wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Plenty of the software I use on a daily basis is open source software where you could argue that the economics shouldn’t have been there. Me too. But the problem with "the economics just aren't there" means that if I cannot get, just from word-of-mouth (say, a Show HN post) 100 users @ $10 once-off lifetime purchase, then this is not a product that is in demand anyway. An open-source/free product that is exactly th…

Doesn’t that depend on the buyer? I can think of several products that I would only use if free, and would go without if it was $1, $5, or $10. E.g. todo list apps, time tracker apps, budgeting apps. I think you can argue that, if you have enough demand at $10, that you’ll have enough at $0, but I don’t see how not having demand at $10 implies that you won’t have demand at $0, since usually making something cheaper c…

> Doesn’t that depend on the buyer? I can think of several products that I would only use if free, and would go without if it was $1, $5, or $10. E.g. todo list apps, time tracker apps, budgeting apps.

My point is not that the user would go without. My point is that if your product is not desirable or differentiated enough that enough people would pay $10 for it, then making it free won't help because it will be lost in a sea of clones that already existed before you even started working on your product.

After all, look at your list - todo list apps, time tracker apps and budgeting apps; you cannot, in the sea of free competition right now, deliver a desirable enough app in any of those classes, unless it provides so much value over and above the others that many people are willing to shell out $10 for it.

IOW, if the product does not provide enough value for some people to pay $10 for it, making it $0 won't make a difference because it doesn't provide anything over and above the entrenched free offerings.

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