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Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by AlotOfReading »

hammock wrote: post #64
ysofunny wrote: post #52

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but only because dead people don't buy eggs so it's expected lowered demand will "stabilize" prices. the numbers are what's important, people. (sorry (not sorry) for the angry sarcasm)

Has anyone died from the Kansas outbreak? Are you scaremongering? I checked the TB mortality in the US and it was 2 per 1,000,000 cases

Mortality is taken over the population as a whole. You want the case fatality rate (probability of death if you're infected), which in the US is 7-9%. Globally, some countries have TB case rates >30%.

TB is a very ancient, very scary disease that's co-evolved with us. It's not much of an exaggeration to say that large parts of modern medicine were invented specifically to get a handle on TB because it has historically ravaged entire populations when left untreated.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by cushychicken »

netman21 wrote: post #48

Largest in recorded history is a bit of hyperbole. In the 1800s something like 80% of all Americans had the TB bacillus and of those that came down with TB a huge percentage died.

I agree, the emphasis probably should be on “recorded”, not “largest”.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by ropetin »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #70
mjevans wrote: post #19

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"None of the Above" (see Bruster's Millions (Movie)) really needs to be an option...

Or you can be an adult and vote for the best option. Harris and the Democratic establishment are certainly not saints and I could rant for hours at how bad they are, but she was a competent woman and at least tried to float solutions to our problems as opposed to being a party of billionaires who is happy to burn it all down.

Exactly this! I just don't understand how this is hard for otherwise competent people to grasp. The explanation I've used in the past is the choices are either being stabbed in the face or kicked in the balls. Ideally I'd not have either, but forced between one or the other I know which one I'd pick.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by ceejayoz »

liontwist wrote: post #96
ceejayoz wrote: post #78

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Malpractice law is complex and time consuming. Determining it to be a cause or contributor to a death isn't quite like going "yup, that's pneumonia". Studies are what we use to estimate it, and this one was a big outlier.

Causality itself is a complex philosophical topic. I agree it probably can’t be established. That’s why death reportings tend to use “died with X”. I understand that there is a sensitivity to ascribe liability or fault. But if someone dies in recovery from a surgery, or worse under anesthesia, that seems like something that could be identified and reported.

> But if someone dies to recovery form a surgery, or worse from anesthesia, that seems like something that could be identified and reported.

We do (for example: https://www.cdc.gov/healthcare-associated-infections/index.h...), but there's significant difference between "malpractice" and "died due to surgical/anesthesia complications". Perfectly administered anesthesia is still risky, which is why we don't give it for, say, mole removal.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by nine_k »

ziddoap wrote: post #32
admissionsguy wrote: post #24

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It came from abroad.

From where? When? Baffles me that someone would write something so definitively yet not expand on it in any way at all. Not saying you're wrong (I have no idea), but what a low-effort comment. I'm curious, you seem (or claim, at least) to know something, can you help me satisfy my curiosity?

I suspect it was said ironically, meaning all the recent immigrant scaremongering.

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Post by layer8 »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #100
et-al wrote: post #69

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Submissions like that often get flagged because they are mainstream political news items. As the HN guidelines say: “If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.”

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by philosopher1234 »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #70
mjevans wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"None of the Above" (see Bruster's Millions (Movie)) really needs to be an option...

Or you can be an adult and vote for the best option. Harris and the Democratic establishment are certainly not saints and I could rant for hours at how bad they are, but she was a competent woman and at least tried to float solutions to our problems as opposed to being a party of billionaires who is happy to burn it all down.

True, she was a party of billionaires that want to burn it all down more slowly. GOP-lite, as they say.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by zdw »

vkou wrote: post #79
roenxi wrote: post #61

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> "Politics don't matter" though ;) Bummer! 1. Is there an argument here that the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report's unbroken publication record is so important it should switch votes? 2. They probably still filled the report in, so there is a chance it eventually gets published. No need to abandon hope yet.

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It's arguable that many of them are important, we just don't know yet which ones, although some (like this one) are more likely than others.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by dylan604 »

kibwen wrote: post #80
hammock wrote: post #31

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It is. It’s called a protest vote, and it’s done by casting a blank ballot

I'm not sure who told you that casting a blank ballot represents a "protest vote", but I assure you that is not how our current voting system is set up. To be clear, voting systems should have explicit options for protest votes; an explicit "I reject all candidates" option. Unfortunately, ours does not, by design; a blank ballot instead means "I endorse all candidates". Pretending otherwise will not change this.

Playing the tape to the end, what happens is the protest votes win? Start a new election cycle? What happens if that cycle now extends past the end of the current admin’s term which cause their time in office to extend beyond 2 terms? How do you then prevent the incumbent from using that to their advantage to stay in office?

Jeebus, I can’t believe I’m actually saying this, but dems the times we live in I guess.

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