> I don’t think it would be fair to name and shame them. I disagree, but of course that's entirely up to you.
He cannot name and shame them because this did not really happen.
The FizzBuzz that did not get me the job
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Re: The FizzBuzz that did not get me the job
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
The author’s answer was clever, but also unconventional. The company was probably looking for someone that would write code in a shared codebase that other developers will need to contribute to and maintain. Thinking outside the box and not following suggestions might have raised a red flag that this person might be a loose cannon. In a small company, hiring someone smart but unwilling to follow directions can be det…
Then ask . Ask the candidate if he has experience in some teams, ask what he would do if someone else was challenging his technical decisions. Ask him what he would do if he was ordered to do something which he believes was a bad technical decision. Instead of talking the company relies on easily misinterpreted hints that he might or might not be someone able to work in a team. People can be both self confident and a…
Agree as a general rule BUT candidates can (and some WILL) lie to those questions. See how they react naturally although in a simulated scenario can give you a better idea.
But you should do both things, probably in 2 different interviews.
Re: The FizzBuzz that did not get me the job
#103I will go against the grain and say I do not consider OPs fizzbuzz solution to score particular well on readability or maintainability. And these were the only two stated core requirements.
The solution is clever and demonstrates solid knowledge of TS. However, in my experience getting too clever with the type system is not always a good idea for ordinary application code maintained by a team of average TS developers.
Re: The FizzBuzz that did not get me the job
#104I know it's bad form to complain about technical issues with the site rather than engaging with its content, but I can't do the latter as I get redirected to a page telling me to activate javascript... even after activating js. Considering I expect the page itself to just be static text I'd appreciate if anyone could give a quick summary. Even the Wayback Machine can't show the page, for crying out loud.
Re: The FizzBuzz that did not get me the job
#105Cool read! I loved it when you changed the numbers to base 15, I thought that was a beautiful solution.
Came here say the same thing, I had never thought of nor heard of using base 15 for digit tricks before!
Re: The FizzBuzz that did not get me the job
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
The author’s answer was clever, but also unconventional. The company was probably looking for someone that would write code in a shared codebase that other developers will need to contribute to and maintain. Thinking outside the box and not following suggestions might have raised a red flag that this person might be a loose cannon. In a small company, hiring someone smart but unwilling to follow directions can be det…
Then ask . Ask the candidate if he has experience in some teams, ask what he would do if someone else was challenging his technical decisions. Ask him what he would do if he was ordered to do something which he believes was a bad technical decision. Instead of talking the company relies on easily misinterpreted hints that he might or might not be someone able to work in a team. People can be both self confident and a…
Even in the candidate's own telling, it is obvious that they misread very strong signals from interviewers. I've sometimes been that overly clever programmer and I've had to deal with it too, on the one side it's great that they bring energy and brains, but it is exhausting. At some point when moving fast you just want to have some people that you can go "hey just fix this bug wouldya" and trust that they're not going to come back with a clever but convoluted and inefficient hack.
Re: The FizzBuzz that did not get me the job
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
The author’s answer was clever, but also unconventional. The company was probably looking for someone that would write code in a shared codebase that other developers will need to contribute to and maintain. Thinking outside the box and not following suggestions might have raised a red flag that this person might be a loose cannon. In a small company, hiring someone smart but unwilling to follow directions can be det…
Then don't say" "the interviewer noted that I could even use esoteric programming languages but advised me against because there would be lots of rules that would be hard to follow"
this is a good filter.
if someone starts careening through the task using brainfuck, they ain’t thinking like a senior dev at day job i.e. simple, clear, easy to follow and maintainable code writing.
i don’t care how clever you are. i need to know you’re not going to rewrite the frontend in your first week because of a “big brain” moment [0]. using python or something simple without being told to helps me feel like you won’t do that, and that i might be able to trust you on day 0.
expectations on seniors are higher
Re: The FizzBuzz that did not get me the job
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
50k EUR/year for me would be like 2900 EUR/month after all taxes. Monthly expenses in the part of Spain I live in are ~800 EUR (rent + food + electricity + water + 1Gbps internet). 2900 - 800 = 2100 EUR to do whatever I want with. Even if I decide to put half of that into savings, that's still ~1000 EUR to spend freely, and any unspent money would go into savings too at the end of the month. Or in other words: With a…
Fair enough I’m just saying I live in Germany and just entered my first software position and get 73k, and I don’t live in Berlin or anything. I suppose in Spain living expenses are much cheaper. Your monthly expenses including food are less than my rent. Tho I still think I have more than 2100 left over after expenses
73k as a junior? (your first software position)
that sounds like a major exception. the average for juniors in germany is 50k or below.
Re: The FizzBuzz that did not get me the job
#109I will go against the grain and say I do not consider OPs fizzbuzz solution to score particular well on readability or maintainability. And these were the only two stated core requirements. The solution is clever and demonstrates solid knowledge of TS. However, in my experience getting too clever with the type system is not always a good idea for ordinary application code maintained by a team of average TS developers…
> ...readability or maintainability. And these were the only two stated core requirements.
Where was that stated? I don't see those being mentioned as core requirements at all
Re: The FizzBuzz that did not get me the job
#110Normally, you learn during high school that when you take any exam, you should not reply with the best or smartest answer, but with the answer the teacher expects. The same applies to interviews.
But that was the correct answer after all: screw the interview, have fun trolling the interviewers (you won't get the job anyway), then write a cool blog post and post it here. There is already someone in this thread asking for contact.