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Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

#101

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the internet ad industry is raking billions from all over the world into the USA, how can you call that unproductive.

Because is fucking undproductive, useless and detrimental to society. Advertising is a cancer, an immoral activity.

If you owned a small business you'd be singing a very different tune.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

#102

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Such a great victory for American industry... the future is to bring workers from Taiwan with skills and willingness to receive a fraction of US salaries.

What are your realistic options? Say TSMC pays supper competitive US salaries to attract US-only labor, higher labor cost which is causing the end product to be more expensive, which makes that fab uncompetitive globally causing Apple to go buying from someone else and TSMC either choosing leaving the US or going bust eating the losses. You can't compete with lower-wage countries in a globalized world with no trade b…

What about the US providing actually good education that can produce workers able to compete with Chinese and other Asian countries?

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

#103
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Wow I did not know this and it is fantastic news, surprised Taiwan allowed this as they see chips as being the most important reason America would intervene if they were invaded.

In case of invasion, it's not that unlikely that the fabs in Taiwan get destroyed, or at least lose the ability to keep making and selling chips while the conflict is hot. In that case TSMC and Taiwan might prefer having a backup. As long as the US doesn't confiscate the Arizona fab, effectively siding with China, Taiwan would arguably have more leverage by still having something of immense strategic value to trade.

The US is not going to hold on to some working fab for some Taiwan-government-in-exile. As soon as you are out of power, even your allies generally take the time to plunder what they can.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

#104

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Such a great victory for American industry... the future is to bring workers from Taiwan with skills and willingness to receive a fraction of US salaries.

What are your realistic options? Say TSMC pays supper competitive US salaries to attract US-only labor, higher labor cost which is causing the end product to be more expensive, which makes that fab uncompetitive globally causing Apple to go buying from someone else and TSMC either choosing leaving the US or going bust eating the losses. You can't compete with lower-wage countries in a globalized world with no trade b…

> You can't compete with lower-wage countries in a globalized world with no trade barriers

I think you’ve correctly identified the solutions.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

#105

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Because is fucking undproductive, useless and detrimental to society. Advertising is a cancer, an immoral activity.

If you owned a small business you'd be singing a very different tune.

That's a problem that advertising both created and feeds off of.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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post #43

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In case of invasion, it's not that unlikely that the fabs in Taiwan get destroyed, or at least lose the ability to keep making and selling chips while the conflict is hot. In that case TSMC and Taiwan might prefer having a backup. As long as the US doesn't confiscate the Arizona fab, effectively siding with China, Taiwan would arguably have more leverage by still having something of immense strategic value to trade.

The US is not going to hold on to some working fab for some Taiwan-government-in-exile. As soon as you are out of power, even your allies generally take the time to plunder what they can.

Just like the US plundered any Ukrainian assets they could get their hands on, instead of supporting the Ukrainian government and freezing Russian assets instead?

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

#107

- Over 50% of the workers flew in from Taiwan to work on this plant and make these chips. - The chips still need to fly back to Taiwan to be packaged as there are no facilities here with such a capability. Made in america is a hard sell. But at least showing the glaring STEM field gap in the U.S. is a start to finally addressing the brain drain.

> glaring STEM field gap in the U.S.

There is no such gap. The jobs do not pay Americans enough to tolerate the conditions.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

#108
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where did you get that number from

There's a window where China will have it max capability to invade for the next few years. After that their population is going to start shrinking and every year will be harder than the next to invade.

But they don’t have energy independence or food security yet, which is kind of a hard requirement for an invasion.

There’s not enough rail lines and gas pipelines from Russia to feed them with significant quantities of fossil fuels.

Imagine how bad Russias invasion of Ukraine would’ve been without energy independence and food security. The invasion of Taiwan is an order of magnitude more difficult, and Taiwan now has the recipe for how to knock out the entire naval fleet of a more powerful nation (see how Ukraine has essentially incapacitated Russia in the Black Sea).

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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I read the main problem with hiring chip factory workers in Arizona was the factory just didnt pay enough for the long hours demanded. I looked up the median salary and its only 50k so I'm assuming it's not crazy skilled labor (e.g. brain drain). Taiwanese workers just seem more willing to do it.

50k is just a step above McDonalds these days in a lot of areas. Sure minimum wage might be $15k, but realistically nobody pays that little except in very rural areas (if you need a small number of low skilled employees a small rural town is a perfect spot to build - but if you need more than a small number they can't provide more at any price - you will pay more in the city but there are a lot more people around if…

Perhaps - in California.

Median US Salary is $59,384. Half of workers make less.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

#110

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What are your realistic options? Say TSMC pays supper competitive US salaries to attract US-only labor, higher labor cost which is causing the end product to be more expensive, which makes that fab uncompetitive globally causing Apple to go buying from someone else and TSMC either choosing leaving the US or going bust eating the losses. You can't compete with lower-wage countries in a globalized world with no trade b…

What about the US providing actually good education that can produce workers able to compete with Chinese and other Asian countries?

Why would well educated US grads go work in a semi fab for 50k when they can make 5-10x in an office or at home, getting people to click on ads in the bay area, or move money around between tax heavens in new york?
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