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Re: Let's Quit X

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Post by olivierduval »

jsheard wrote: post #3

Anecdotal, but so many people in my circles have jumped ship to Bluesky that the transition is pretty seamless at this point. It feels more like Twitter than what became of Twitter does.

Curious :why Bluesky and not Mastodon? I would have thought that decentralization would be a better safeguard against Bluesky becoming Twitter after being successful...

Honest question: I left Twitter so long ago (I guess that I never got it) and am not really using Mastodon... so I think that I'm not the right people

Re: Let's Quit X

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Post by EA-3167 »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #99
EA-3167 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's anything about Bsky that makes it "left wing" or an echo chamber, it's just that the first people to jump ship from Twitter were by and large, on the left of the US political spectrum. If Bsky ends up with hundreds of millions of people on it then it won't be any sort of echo chamber. For now it's very much dominated by Twitter ex-pats, and that gives it a pretty predictable slant. Unlike Twitte…

You aren't wrong, but I'd add that it's also just the never-ending grievance-politics of the reactionary right. Spaces that have them but don't amplify their voices enough are censoring conservatives. Spaces where people can moderate what they get who then opt out of it are censoring conservatives. Endless victim posturing about how silenced all these people are who paradoxically also never shut the fuck up. They lov…

I understand intellectually that employing a double-standard can work in the context of populism, but like you I find it absolutely exhausting. People who's party and ideology control every branch of government still pretend that they're plucky, marginalized freedom fighters.

Sigh

Re: Let's Quit X

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Post by harvodex »

ezekg wrote: post #26

I don't understand the obsession with hating on X/Musk right now. He has his opinions, but X is still a great platform, and last I checked, Mastodon and Bluesky still feel like echo chambers (and the latter has a lot of... furry content). In the quiet, it feels like the media moved from hating Trump to hating Musk, and people are now obsessing over amplifying that message. But for what gain? It all kind of reminds me…

I am a conservative but I can't imagine how anyone is not tired of Musk at this point.

Not 1984 but just standard 20th century type dangerous cult of personality with one person having way too much power.

Re: Let's Quit X

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Post by thrance »

sergiotapia wrote: post #75

bluesky and other echochambers are not the solution to censorship. bluesky is the left to the x right. both serving different masters. The solution is true mesh network with financial incentive to "host" the content. Imagine kinda of like bittorrent seeding where the longer you seed the more you "mine crypto". I'm too dumb to build such a thing, but that is the solution. A true peer to peer network where all content…

You probably wouldn't want to host CSAM or even more abject content. Also the performance would be terrible.

The issue with unmoderated content is that it always devolves into a neonazis and other hateful/deranged groups echo chamber, and everyone else leaves because frankly who wants to engage with that? Look at 4chan for an example.

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Post by dragonwriter »

EA-3167 wrote: post #85
unpopularopp wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber Yeah but it's a left wing echo chamber and that's good! /s Incognito window > bsky > discovery feed > every post is about US politics, Trump bad, rich people bad, Musk bad etc. Same shit just different colors Bsky is not the answer, the only answer is not to use social media at all. And more or less that applies to HN too.

I don't think there's anything about Bsky that makes it "left wing" or an echo chamber, it's just that the first people to jump ship from Twitter were by and large, on the left of the US political spectrum. If Bsky ends up with hundreds of millions of people on it then it won't be any sort of echo chamber. For now it's very much dominated by Twitter ex-pats, and that gives it a pretty predictable slant. Unlike Twitte…

> I don't think there's anything about Bsky that makes it "left wing" or an echo chamber

Bsky lacks (1) ads, (2) paying posters rewarded with promoted reach, and (3) a default algorithmic feed (Discover is algorithmic and exists, but the default feed unless unpinned is always Following.) It also has shareable feeds, as well as the default pinned feeds.

Each of these individually makes most users experience of Bluesky a lot more seeing what they choose to see than seeing what the site owner has a financial or other interest in everyone seeing, which in a sense makes it more likely to be a personal echo chamber rather than a single echo chamber or the mythical perfectly unbiased online marketplace of ideas.

OTOH, it also got a lot of users specifically in reaction to negative feelings about the central ideological direction perceived at X, which may make it on average more left-wing by comparison, if very much not uniformly left-wing or having any fundamental trait tending toward remaining even relatively left-wing.

Re: Let's Quit X

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Post by suzzer99 »

efitz wrote: post #69

Site seems like it was hugged to death. My initial take on this is that it's probably just another one of a thousand "let's self-sort ourselves by political bias". BlueSky has a CP problem (enter "does BlueSky have a CP problem" into your favorite search engine). BlueSky also has a problem with moderation; the pile-ons are trying to eradicate opposing (read: non-leftist) points of view. Don't take my word for it; it'…

I googled "does BlueSky have a CP problem" and I still have no idea what this means.

Re: Let's Quit X

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Post by Timshel »

liuliu wrote: post #7

Anyone made a X to Bluesky importer yet? It is pretty difficult to discover the users back on Bluesky, and I thought with the Bluesky hose, it should be possible to matching content v.s. user?

The goal of the website/service it to facilitate this part.

Re: Let's Quit X

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Post by xiphias2 »

thrance wrote: post #91
daft_pink wrote: post #55

The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber. My experience using let’s quit “insert company name” is that these echo chambers tend to be toxic and terrible. IE.. Gab, Truth Social, etc. It’s very difficult to do unless you can have broad consensus. I tend to use Twitter for an industry wide group and while a few individuals have moved, the Bluesky version just doesn’t have the reach or usefulness of the twit…

X is already a far right echo chamber, if you create a new account and navigate to the "for you" page, all you see is Elon Musk, Alex Jones, Andrew Tate and other far right "role models". It's unfortunate that X still retains a greater reach than its alternatives, but that can change in the medium term.

Then just don't navigate to For You. I wish I could just see my friends on Facebook (those are the people I care about), but I can't turn off crappy suggestions.

With X I can control my own feed by using the followers tab.

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